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Bulb not seeing the light

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  • D_P_Dance
    D_P_Dance Posts: 11,557 Forumite
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    edited 12 March 2021 at 5:04PM
    OP do you really expect electricity consumption since the middle of December until now to be zero?.

    No but I expect it to be under 5 KWH.  Further more, I do not expect my wife, who has no contract with them, to be harassed and threatened  by DCAs.   




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  • Robin9
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    I appreciate that you've not seen an invoice but what paperwork have you seen from the Debt collectors ?   I cannot understand why Debt collectors have been called in for a few weeks of standing charges and 5kWh of consumption - perhaps £25 in total.

    There's more to this.
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  • Ectophile
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    D_P_Dance said:
    OP do you really expect electricity consumption since the middle of December until now to be zero?.

    No but I expect it to be under 5 KWH.  Further more, I do not expect my wife, who has no contract with them, to be harassed and threatened  by DCAs.   





    In that case, I don't think you've got a leg to stand on.
    The way the courts have interpreted the Electricity Act is that if you have used no electricity at all, then you have not "taken a supply", so you're not under a deemed contract.
    However, the moment you use a single kWh of electricity, then you have a deemed contract with whoever is the current supplier.  Again, this is all set out in the Electricity Act.  Because it is set out in law, it doesn't matter whether or not you have entered any agreement with Bulb.
    Whether you like it or not, you are a customer of Bulb, and you have to pay their bills.

    There is also a Gas Act, which says pretty much the same thing.
    If it sticks, force it.
    If it breaks, well it wasn't working right anyway.
  • Hasbeen
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    edited 12 March 2021 at 7:03PM
    D_P_Dance said:
    OP do you really expect electricity consumption since the middle of December until now to be zero?.

    No but I expect it to be under 5 KWH.  Further more, I do not expect my wife, who has no contract with them, to be harassed and threatened  by DCAs.   




    Are you telling the forum at the end of the tenancy your wife  did not register with the deemed provider or provide meter readings because you believed she did not have a contract with them?

    I read that a reading had been given?
    To give a reading your wife must have taken over the account?

    The amount used in an empty house in a few months would be minimal.

    Why are debt collectors already at this stage?

    You have stated you are an experienced Landlord?  Surely various tenants have moved out in the past from your properties?

    So what is different this time?

    Your opening post asked one question: "My question is, how much should I be suing for, my guess is £100. but I know nothing of these matters."
    Your 3rd post stated: "I am no stranger to the small claims court  where I have prevailed six  times, with no losses.  The most recent being last month against a company selling properties in Spain.  In 2018 I took a house seller to court for misrepresentation and won my claim for  £1000"

    Your initial question has already been answered. 

    And personally. I am now doubting the veracity of your posts?

    You have basically ignored any advice given? However please come back with the outcome achieved for your court case against Bulb. 


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  • wild666
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    The landlord is responsible for bills from the day the tenant moves out if they are disputing more than that then Bulb should be chasing the tenant for the money payable before that date. The tenant should have given Bulb a final reading on the date they moved out, then the bill for any money owed before the date could be taken from the tenant account but if they cancelled this expecting the landlord to pay it then either Bulb or the landlord could take action for the payment. 
    Did the tenant give a forwarding address for any post in their name? 
    Someone please tell me what money is
  • Robin9
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    I do wonder if the tenant has "done a runner"
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  • rp1974
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    Robin9 said:
    I do wonder if the tenant has "done a runner"
    I'd've done that the second I saw that tenancy agreement to be honest,and as quickly as possible.
  • D_P_Dance
    D_P_Dance Posts: 11,557 Forumite
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    I read that a reading had been given?  To give a reading your wife must have taken over the account?

    Indeed, by me, my wie has had no dealings with Bulb.

    Are you telling the forum at the end of the tenancy your wife  did not register with the deemed provider or provide meter readings because you believed she did not have a contract with them?

    My  wife has had no contact with the company. whatsoever.    I have engaged fully with them.  The tenant, although one of the most troublesome I have ever had, did nothing wrong,   (except fly tipping a sofa in the car park three days after the tenancy ceased), but that is not a story for this forum.

    Wild 666  WRT the tenant and Bulb, he did everything he should have don.  Yes of course he gave a forwarding address, in fact he move to a flat a mile away from me. 

    I think that the misunderstanding may have arisen because my wife and the tenant both speak Hindi,  and the tenant's English is poor.  He may have passed on my wife's name to the company as most of the landlord/tenant interaction was conducted in Hindi.  .  


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  • D_P_Dance
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    edited 13 March 2021 at 11:56AM
    And personally. I am now doubting the veracity of your posts?

    What all 25,000 plus of them?    The  Queen believes me.  I have a piece if paper,  (a Royal  Commission), signed in her own hand, in which she refers to me as "Trusty and Well-beloved, and in whom we are well pleased" 

    Is she deluded?   Perhaps you should write to her voicing your suspicions.
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  • Robin9
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    You do seem to keep ducking the amount of money involved -   there would be reminder bills, chasing letters, letters from the DCA or the court.   The supplier will not be chasing you (yet) for £25's of standing charges and a few kWh.
    Never pay on an estimated bill. Always read and understand your bill
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