Electric meter faulty - energy supplier wants to fit smart meters

molerat

Gerry1 said:

Telegraph_Sam said:

I must look up the US Military definition of a smart meter.

FUBAR / SNAFU? 

Nope,not just for the meter but for the whole programme - it covers a series of events and errors usually caused by those of senior rank,  a cluster........

It is in the OED ...... a disastrously mishandled situation or undertaking

Telegraph_Sam

"Its a bit like saying you don't need sat nav in your car/phone for driving, cos you can use a paper/book map and it does the job fine. Yeah sure it does and for those of us that grew up with paper maps its absolutely fine. But sat nav/google maps etc has replaced it, its made travelling more convenient, efficient and reliable.....but at the end of the day either way is ok."

One is reminded of the lady American tourist who as a result of her reliance on her satnav ended up in a reservoir in W. Yorkshire if my facts are correct.  A fair comparison if you are in dispute with a supplier based on smart readings.

Gerry1

Telegraph_Sam said:

"Its a bit like saying you don't need sat nav in your car/phone for driving, cos you can use a paper/book map and it does the job fine. Yeah sure it does and for those of us that grew up with paper maps its absolutely fine. But sat nav/google maps etc has replaced it, its made travelling more convenient, efficient and reliable.....but at the end of the day either way is ok."
One is reminded of the lady American tourist who as a result of her reliance on her satnav ended up in a reservoir in W. Yorkshire if my facts are correct.  A fair comparison if you are in dispute with a supplier based on smart readings.

Bet this driver uses Look After My Bills !

45002

Gerry1 said:

 then cut you off

That's going to be a lot of wasted court time then.

My understanding is a supplier has to apply for a warrant from magistrates court to lawfully cut someone off ....

molerat

45002 said:

Gerry1 said:

 then cut you off

That's going to be a lot of wasted court time then.

My understanding is a supplier has to apply for a warrant from magistrates court to lawfully cut someone off ....

Yes, currently !

Telegraph_Sam

"Bet this driver uses Look After My Bills !"
A fair comparison.  There should be a thread devoted to LAMB's somewhere.

Gerry1

45002 said:

Gerry1 said:

 then cut you off

That's going to be a lot of wasted court time then.

My understanding is a supplier has to apply for a warrant from magistrates court to lawfully cut someone off ....

Ever heard of rota power cuts?

And do you really think they'll suddenly say 'Whoops, we've wasted all that £13 billion, we can't implement Demand Side Response, we're just going to forget the whole raison d'être, it's a dead duck, sorry about that' ?

No way !

If the law needs to be changed... it most certainly will be.

[Deleted User]

There are currently no plans to use the remote disconnection facility built into UK SMETS2 meters to manage Demand Side Response (DSR) for domestic consumers.  The proposed methods of managing DSR are based on ‘carrot and stick’ tariffs as per this Ofgem document. With DSR in mind, Octopus is currently trialling ToU tariffs (such as Agile) using daily HH prices.  Any future use of the SMETS2 remote disconnection facility will require either a Court Order, or prior customer contractual agreement with texts; IHD alerts etc being sent out urging consumers to reduce their peak power in line with the agreed contract terms before any action is taken. 

Telegraph_Sam

The mind boggles how any consumer is or is going to be able to fathom out and verify his billing if it has to take account of DSR's. Imagine search engines showing one supplier using TOU-CPP in comparison with another using DA-RTP    Time to emigrate ...

[Deleted User]

Such tools already exist and are free to use. This App compares costs on the Octopus Agile and Go tariffs but it could easily be extended to all suppliers (and I know some clever guys are already working on it):