Car tax changes

Homer_home

AdrianC said:

Homer_home said:

AdrianC said:

Homer_home said:

Please explain how they would tax fuel per mile?

Simple way to do it is to pay VED per mile based on what the mileage is at the MOT compared to last year's, problem is that would lead to a lot of cars being clocked 

I don't know if you've noticed, but they have this magic technology know that knows where your car is without having to look at a map, and can report that over a telephone that doesn't even use wires!

The fundamental infrastructure for road pricing is not rocket science. Introducing it has been on various governments' priority lists for a decade and a half.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6372877.stm

Not sure why you are using sarcasm your so called point doesn't make sense

For your "system" to work using gps and mobiles , would require every car in the UK connected permanently and one ernomous infrastructure to track every car and work out it's mileage

No, not permanently. Periodic uploads would work just fine.

Given how useless the government are at building reliable computer infrastructure can't really see that happening can you?

Ah, now THAT is a very different question...

Not only that how many would be happy and agree to there car being tracked where ever it is in the UK?

Simple. You don't have a choice. Legislation.
Enforcement via ANPR ping from a vehicle that's not uploaded data.

Perhaps a legal requirement for all on-road vehicles to upload once per minimum period - yes, that has issues around infrequently used vehicles that don't have a usable mobile signal... So link it to SORN.
Yes, it would be a pita for a small number of edge cases - I have a camper van outside that gets used very infrequently, and we have zero mobile signal.
But, y'know what? That van's taxed currently. That tax has cost me more than a quid a mile. I'd be willing to do a fortnightly/monthly (say) "Yes, it's correct" declaration of some kind - if I didn't just shrug and SORN it. All it's been used for this year is DIY transporter for stuff too big to fit in the car. It would have been cheaper to put a towbar on the car.
In fact, I don't know why I've not SORNed it, tbh. I probably will do at the end of this month.

Worst. Idea. Ever.

Since when did that stop them?

I have a 16 year old car and a classic camper , pray tell me how these two vehicles can upload mileage data? And why would you need to upload mileage data when it is done every year at mot time?

Again what you propose is far far too complicated.

Like I said every year your mileage is uploaded to the mot database it's even on your mot cert , it would be very simple to use that already existing data rather than putting your complicated expensive system in place to do exactly the same job 

AdrianC

Homer_home said:

AdrianC said:

Homer_home said:

AdrianC said:

Homer_home said:

Please explain how they would tax fuel per mile?

Simple way to do it is to pay VED per mile based on what the mileage is at the MOT compared to last year's, problem is that would lead to a lot of cars being clocked 

I don't know if you've noticed, but they have this magic technology know that knows where your car is without having to look at a map, and can report that over a telephone that doesn't even use wires!

The fundamental infrastructure for road pricing is not rocket science. Introducing it has been on various governments' priority lists for a decade and a half.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6372877.stm

Not sure why you are using sarcasm your so called point doesn't make sense

For your "system" to work using gps and mobiles , would require every car in the UK connected permanently and one ernomous infrastructure to track every car and work out it's mileage

No, not permanently. Periodic uploads would work just fine.

Given how useless the government are at building reliable computer infrastructure can't really see that happening can you?

Ah, now THAT is a very different question...

Not only that how many would be happy and agree to there car being tracked where ever it is in the UK?

Simple. You don't have a choice. Legislation.
Enforcement via ANPR ping from a vehicle that's not uploaded data.

Perhaps a legal requirement for all on-road vehicles to upload once per minimum period - yes, that has issues around infrequently used vehicles that don't have a usable mobile signal... So link it to SORN.
Yes, it would be a pita for a small number of edge cases - I have a camper van outside that gets used very infrequently, and we have zero mobile signal.
But, y'know what? That van's taxed currently. That tax has cost me more than a quid a mile. I'd be willing to do a fortnightly/monthly (say) "Yes, it's correct" declaration of some kind - if I didn't just shrug and SORN it. All it's been used for this year is DIY transporter for stuff too big to fit in the car. It would have been cheaper to put a towbar on the car.
In fact, I don't know why I've not SORNed it, tbh. I probably will do at the end of this month.

Worst. Idea. Ever.

Since when did that stop them?

I have a 16 year old car and a classic camper , pray tell me how these two vehicles can upload mileage data? And why would you need to upload mileage data when it is done every year at mot time?

Retro-fit real-time telematics are hardly unusual. They're fitted to hundreds of thousands of cars on British roads already.

Again what you propose is far far too complicated.

I'm not the one proposing it. I'm merely explaining the most likely future.

Like I said every year your mileage is uploaded to the mot database it's even on your mot cert , it would be very simple to use that already existing data rather than putting your complicated expensive system in place to do exactly the same job 

Which is lovely, but you can bet that road pricing will include traffic management. Use busy roads, pay more than use quiet ones. The MOT mileage data is unreliable. Odometers do not have to work for the test, and they are impossible to police between tests. It is perfectly legal to swap speedo heads.

jimjames

sweetgirl2015 said:

I keep seeing articles on google news feeds about possible changes in the way we will be charged for car tax per mile we travel?

I suspect any changes are more likely to apply to new vehicles from a certain point in the same way that VED changes recently were only for new cars. My 1998 car is still on the same duty scheme as it was when the CO2 based charges were introduced although increased by whatever inflation has been applied

AdrianC

jimjames said:

I suspect any changes are more likely to apply to new vehicles from a certain point in the same way that VED changes recently were only for new cars. My 1998 car is still on the same duty scheme as it was when the CO2 based charges were introduced although increased by whatever inflation has been applied

Not quite so simple...

When your car was new In 1998, there was a single flat VED rate.
In 1999, that was changed to split by engine size, when a <1100cc band was introduced. That was then raised to <1200cc and then <1550cc by mid-2001.
And, yes, those changes applied to ALL cars... except those that were £0 historic. That had been rolling 25yo from introduction in 1996 (replacing half-price for pre-1947), but that got locked to a fixed pre-1973, which then eventually got unlocked to rolling 40 years old.
So, yes, there is precedent for already-registered cars having the basis of their VED calculation changed.

Not that a precedent is needed.

Nobbie1967

Homer_home said:

sweetgirl2015 said:

Homer_home said:

sweetgirl2015 said:

I keep seeing articles on google news feeds about possible changes in the way we will be charged for car tax per mile we travel?
I have a citroen C1 and currently only pay £20 a year, but if I get charged per mile its going to be extremely expencive as I live in a rural area and need a car to travel the 9 miles to work everyday, so thats 18 miles a day I do just for work. 

Huh?

9miles?  Is that all?
You could cycle that and leave the car at home

I would love a 9 mile commute as I currently do a 25 mile commute , fancy a swap if you are so concerned about such a short distance?

No because sometimes my hubby takes me so he can have the car for other things, plus its very steep hills around here. And who wants to be out all weathers on a push bike? 

Lots of people!

I used to cycle 8 miles to work when I was 16 , I lived on top of a massive hill then and work was at the bottom , going to work was a lot of fun , coming home was a bit of a !!!!!! though ....

You sound right now like you're just trying to make excuses not to do some excercise 

Luxury,

when was 14, I used to cycle 30 miles across the Pennines to get to the pit where I’d do a 12 hour shift and then ride back with a sack of coal over my shoulder.

onomatopoeia99

Nobbie1967 said:

Homer_home said:

sweetgirl2015 said:

Homer_home said:

sweetgirl2015 said:

I keep seeing articles on google news feeds about possible changes in the way we will be charged for car tax per mile we travel?
I have a citroen C1 and currently only pay £20 a year, but if I get charged per mile its going to be extremely expencive as I live in a rural area and need a car to travel the 9 miles to work everyday, so thats 18 miles a day I do just for work. 

Huh?

9miles?  Is that all?
You could cycle that and leave the car at home

I would love a 9 mile commute as I currently do a 25 mile commute , fancy a swap if you are so concerned about such a short distance?

No because sometimes my hubby takes me so he can have the car for other things, plus its very steep hills around here. And who wants to be out all weathers on a push bike? 

Lots of people!

I used to cycle 8 miles to work when I was 16 , I lived on top of a massive hill then and work was at the bottom , going to work was a lot of fun , coming home was a bit of a !!!!!! though ....

You sound right now like you're just trying to make excuses not to do some excercise 

Luxury,

when was 14, I used to cycle 30 miles across the Pennines to get to the pit where I’d do a 12 hour shift and then ride back with a sack of coal over my shoulder.

Uphill both ways, no doubt. 

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onomatopoeia99 said:

Uphill both ways, no doubt. 

Odd that, I've noticed that no matter which way I go, it is uphill all the way there, and uphill all the way back.

I think I live in one of those Escher paintings

And, again, no matter which way I an going, there is always a 30mph headwind too, the winds must rotate like a corkscrew.