Car tax changes

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Supersonos said:

 It might work out cheaper.

That is not how tax works

Supersonos said:

You're also forgetting the idea it would replace the tax on fuel.

I think you will find that the Chancellor will too! 

There is a gazillion pounds to raise to pay for Covid, and one thing is certain, The Rich won't be funding it

Grumpy_chap

facade said:

There is a gazillion pounds to raise to pay for Covid, and one thing is certain, The Rich won't be funding it

There are some who say only the rich can afford a car.

Homer_home

AdrianC said:

Homer_home said:

sweetgirl2015 said:

Well you cant get much cheaper than £20 for a whole year can you? Plus if they tax fuel per mile that could be very expencive as we all know how fuel prices fluctuates so I'm not sure how that could work per mile. You would notice sudden increases and sudden decreases. 

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Please explain how they would tax fuel per mile?

Simple way to do it is to pay VED per mile based on what the mileage is at the MOT compared to last year's, problem is that would lead to a lot of cars being clocked 

I don't know if you've noticed, but they have this magic technology know that knows where your car is without having to look at a map, and can report that over a telephone that doesn't even use wires!

The fundamental infrastructure for road pricing is not rocket science. Introducing it has been on various governments' priority lists for a decade and a half.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6372877.stm

Not sure why you are using sarcasm your so called point doesn't make sense

For your "system" to work using gps and mobiles , would require every car in the UK connected permanently and one ernomous infrastructure to track every car and work out it's mileage 

Given how useless the government are at building reliable computer infrastructure can't really see that happening can you?

Not only that how many would be happy and agree to there car being tracked where ever it is in the UK?

Worst. Idea. Ever.

Spank

Homer_home said:

AdrianC said:

Homer_home said:

sweetgirl2015 said:

Well you cant get much cheaper than £20 for a whole year can you? Plus if they tax fuel per mile that could be very expencive as we all know how fuel prices fluctuates so I'm not sure how that could work per mile. You would notice sudden increases and sudden decreases. 

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Please explain how they would tax fuel per mile?

Simple way to do it is to pay VED per mile based on what the mileage is at the MOT compared to last year's, problem is that would lead to a lot of cars being clocked 

I don't know if you've noticed, but they have this magic technology know that knows where your car is without having to look at a map, and can report that over a telephone that doesn't even use wires!

The fundamental infrastructure for road pricing is not rocket science. Introducing it has been on various governments' priority lists for a decade and a half.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6372877.stm

Not sure why you are using sarcasm your so called point doesn't make sense

For your "system" to work using gps and mobiles , would require every car in the UK connected permanently and one ernomous infrastructure to track every car and work out it's mileage 

Given how useless the government are at building reliable computer infrastructure can't really see that happening can you?

Not only that how many would be happy and agree to there car being tracked where ever it is in the UK?

Worst. Idea. Ever.

Really? Not much difference to black boxes that insurance co's put in cars.

AdrianC

Homer_home said:

AdrianC said:

Homer_home said:

Please explain how they would tax fuel per mile?

Simple way to do it is to pay VED per mile based on what the mileage is at the MOT compared to last year's, problem is that would lead to a lot of cars being clocked 

I don't know if you've noticed, but they have this magic technology know that knows where your car is without having to look at a map, and can report that over a telephone that doesn't even use wires!

The fundamental infrastructure for road pricing is not rocket science. Introducing it has been on various governments' priority lists for a decade and a half.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6372877.stm

Not sure why you are using sarcasm your so called point doesn't make sense

For your "system" to work using gps and mobiles , would require every car in the UK connected permanently and one ernomous infrastructure to track every car and work out it's mileage

No, not permanently. Periodic uploads would work just fine.

Given how useless the government are at building reliable computer infrastructure can't really see that happening can you?

Ah, now THAT is a very different question...

Not only that how many would be happy and agree to there car being tracked where ever it is in the UK?

Simple. You don't have a choice. Legislation.
Enforcement via ANPR ping from a vehicle that's not uploaded data.

Perhaps a legal requirement for all on-road vehicles to upload once per minimum period - yes, that has issues around infrequently used vehicles that don't have a usable mobile signal... So link it to SORN.
Yes, it would be a pita for a small number of edge cases - I have a camper van outside that gets used very infrequently, and we have zero mobile signal.
But, y'know what? That van's taxed currently. That tax has cost me more than a quid a mile. I'd be willing to do a fortnightly/monthly (say) "Yes, it's correct" declaration of some kind - if I didn't just shrug and SORN it. All it's been used for this year is DIY transporter for stuff too big to fit in the car. It would have been cheaper to put a towbar on the car.
In fact, I don't know why I've not SORNed it, tbh. I probably will do at the end of this month.

Worst. Idea. Ever.

Since when did that stop them?

sweetgirl2015

Homer_home said:

sweetgirl2015 said:

Homer_home said:

sweetgirl2015 said:

I keep seeing articles on google news feeds about possible changes in the way we will be charged for car tax per mile we travel?
I have a citroen C1 and currently only pay £20 a year, but if I get charged per mile its going to be extremely expencive as I live in a rural area and need a car to travel the 9 miles to work everyday, so thats 18 miles a day I do just for work. 

Huh?

9miles?  Is that all?
You could cycle that and leave the car at home

I would love a 9 mile commute as I currently do a 25 mile commute , fancy a swap if you are so concerned about such a short distance?

No because sometimes my hubby takes me so he can have the car for other things, plus its very steep hills around here. And who wants to be out all weathers on a push bike? 

Lots of people!

I used to cycle 8 miles to work when I was 16 , I lived on top of a massive hill then and work was at the bottom , going to work was a lot of fun , coming home was a bit of a !!!!!! though ....

You sound right now like you're just trying to make excuses not to do some excercise 

Well sorry but its not really suitable for me to cycle to and from work. I work labour intensive 12 hour shifts, the last thing I'd want to be doing is cycling 9 miles all up hill to get home everyday. Please have a heart. 

sweetgirl2015

Grumpy_chap said:

facade said:

There is a gazillion pounds to raise to pay for Covid, and one thing is certain, The Rich won't be funding it

There are some who say only the rich can afford a car.

I'm far from rich, we only just get by, and need a car as there are no buses in this rural area for my work. So hicking up taxes on how far I travel could just about break me and a lot of people. 

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sweetgirl2015 said:

No because sometimes my hubby takes me so he can have the car for other things, plus its very steep hills around here. And who wants to be out all weathers on a push bike? 

Lots of us. I pay my annual £20 and have zero commuting mileage costs (and realistically, zero commuting costs as the money I save from not having commuting on my insurance and not having to pay for fuel/wear and tear on car more than makes up for the one off costs of the bike bits I occasionally need.

Biggus_Dickus

AdrianC said:

sweetgirl2015 said:

I keep seeing articles on google news feeds about possible changes in the way we will be charged for car tax per mile we travel?
I have a citroen C1 and currently only pay £20 a year, but if I get charged per mile its going to be extremely expencive as I live in a rural area and need a car to travel the 9 miles to work everyday, so thats 18 miles a day I do just for work. 

Ignore it. It's all speculation, no more than that.

There won't be any official announcements made until the next budget - currently scheduled for 3rd March.

Who knows what lies ahead for the Great British Taxpayer. Mr Sunak sounds as unsure as the rest of us, but given the unfortunate twists and turns of the previous 12 months it’s hardly surprising is it‽   

 

AdrianC

sweetgirl2015 said:

Homer_home said:

I used to cycle 8 miles to work when I was 16 , I lived on top of a massive hill then and work was at the bottom , going to work was a lot of fun , coming home was a bit of a !!!!!! though ....

You sound right now like you're just trying to make excuses not to do some excercise 

Well sorry but its not really suitable for me to cycle to and from work. I work labour intensive 12 hour shifts, the last thing I'd want to be doing is cycling 9 miles all up hill to get home everyday. Please have a heart. 

Such is, of course, all part of your choice.

If the cost of motoring rises, you may decide to review that choice at some point.

BTW, electric bike...?