Trace driver details

AdrianC

ontheroad1970 said:

Biggus_Dickus said:

neilmcl said:

Biggus_Dickus said:

OP, you’ve seemingly built up this minor incident into more than what it actually was because it’s the third time it’s happened.

I don't think it's been me that's built this incident up, just read the responses in this thread.

Perhaps it was your thread-starter desire to ‘track down’ the driver that gave the wrong impression.

  

What other words would you use?  Nothing wrong with tracking down an address to send correspondence to.  

So just put a polite "Excuse me, but I thought you might like to know..." note in the post?

With a return address?

Yeh, I can see that working well.

Herzlos

I'm happy to drop it, all I was saying is that it's a bad idea to make any direct communication because if they ever ask "how did you get my address?" then you're in a lot more trouble than they are.

Go through the police or your insurance, or don't bother.

es5595

neilmcl said:

Marvel1 said:

The regisrted keeper does not mean it's the driver.

I'm well aware but thank you.

But if you go to the police, they will go to the RK, who will be issued a Section 172 notice requiring them to identify the driver

TooManyPoints said:

Report to the police. Give them all the dash cam details. And they’ll head over at some point to give the RK a demand to identify the driver, and then the driver will likely get a fixed penalty. 

For what offence?

Leaving the scene of an accident within providing their details. "The Road Traffic Act 1988 s 170 (2) states that it is an offence for a driver of a vehicle to fail to stop and give their details when involved in an accident that has caused either damage or injury to someone other than the driver or their vehicle". 

A Magistrates’ Court may impose:

• An unlimited fine and/or a prison sentence of up to 6 months
• Must endorse and may disqualify
• If no disqualification impose 5-10 points
• Extended disqualification if imposing custody

Since their is dashcam footage, a much safer bet than trying to turn up on their doorstep to 'have a chat'. Also, anecdotally, when they tell their mates, it reduces them thinking they can get away with 'just a bump in a busy car park' etc. 

neilmcl

Herzlos said:

I'm happy to drop it, all I was saying is that it's a bad idea to make any direct communication because if they ever ask "how did you get my address?" then you're in a lot more trouble than they are.

Go through the police or your insurance, or don't bother.

But the whole purpose of this thread was to find legitimate ways to trace the driver so I don't see what "trouble" I'm likely to be in.

williamgriffin

es5595 said:

neilmcl said:

Marvel1 said:

The regisrted keeper does not mean it's the driver.

I'm well aware but thank you.

But if you go to the police, they will go to the RK, who will be issued a Section 172 notice requiring them to identify the driver

TooManyPoints said:

Report to the police. Give them all the dash cam details. And they’ll head over at some point to give the RK a demand to identify the driver, and then the driver will likely get a fixed penalty. 

For what offence?

Leaving the scene of an accident within providing their details. "The Road Traffic Act 1988 s 170 (2) states that it is an offence for a driver of a vehicle to fail to stop and give their details when involved in an accident that has caused either damage or injury to someone other than the driver or their vehicle". 

A Magistrates’ Court may impose:

• An unlimited fine and/or a prison sentence of up to 6 months
• Must endorse and may disqualify
• If no disqualification impose 5-10 points
• Extended disqualification if imposing custody

Since their is dashcam footage, a much safer bet than trying to turn up on their doorstep to 'have a chat'. Also, anecdotally, when they tell their mates, it reduces them thinking they can get away with 'just a bump in a busy car park' etc. 

Has an accident occurred?

ontheroad1970

williamgriffin said:

es5595 said:

neilmcl said:

Marvel1 said:

The regisrted keeper does not mean it's the driver.

I'm well aware but thank you.

But if you go to the police, they will go to the RK, who will be issued a Section 172 notice requiring them to identify the driver

TooManyPoints said:

Report to the police. Give them all the dash cam details. And they’ll head over at some point to give the RK a demand to identify the driver, and then the driver will likely get a fixed penalty. 

For what offence?

Leaving the scene of an accident within providing their details. "The Road Traffic Act 1988 s 170 (2) states that it is an offence for a driver of a vehicle to fail to stop and give their details when involved in an accident that has caused either damage or injury to someone other than the driver or their vehicle". 

A Magistrates’ Court may impose:

• An unlimited fine and/or a prison sentence of up to 6 months
• Must endorse and may disqualify
• If no disqualification impose 5-10 points
• Extended disqualification if imposing custody

Since their is dashcam footage, a much safer bet than trying to turn up on their doorstep to 'have a chat'. Also, anecdotally, when they tell their mates, it reduces them thinking they can get away with 'just a bump in a busy car park' etc. 

Has an accident occurred?

Yes, of course it has.  If I accidentally cut my hand and then stop the bleeding, has there been no accident, just because I have stopped the bleeding?  No, of course not.  

Just because Neil was able to wipe away the mark doesn't mean there was no collision.  There was.  So yes there is an unreported accident which could easily be reported as failure to report.  I doubt that this would be actioned once the police had two insurance companies talking to each other.  Now if the other car is uninsured, then it will be messy for the other driver.

williamgriffin

ontheroad1970 said:

williamgriffin said:

es5595 said:

neilmcl said:

Marvel1 said:

The regisrted keeper does not mean it's the driver.

I'm well aware but thank you.

But if you go to the police, they will go to the RK, who will be issued a Section 172 notice requiring them to identify the driver

TooManyPoints said:

Report to the police. Give them all the dash cam details. And they’ll head over at some point to give the RK a demand to identify the driver, and then the driver will likely get a fixed penalty. 

For what offence?

Leaving the scene of an accident within providing their details. "The Road Traffic Act 1988 s 170 (2) states that it is an offence for a driver of a vehicle to fail to stop and give their details when involved in an accident that has caused either damage or injury to someone other than the driver or their vehicle". 

A Magistrates’ Court may impose:

• An unlimited fine and/or a prison sentence of up to 6 months
• Must endorse and may disqualify
• If no disqualification impose 5-10 points
• Extended disqualification if imposing custody

Since their is dashcam footage, a much safer bet than trying to turn up on their doorstep to 'have a chat'. Also, anecdotally, when they tell their mates, it reduces them thinking they can get away with 'just a bump in a busy car park' etc. 

Has an accident occurred?

Yes, of course it has.  If I accidentally cut my hand and then stop the bleeding, has there been no accident, just because I have stopped the bleeding?  No, of course not.  

Just because Neil was able to wipe away the mark doesn't mean there was no collision.  There was.  So yes there is an unreported accident which could easily be reported as failure to report.  I doubt that this would be actioned once the police had two insurance companies talking to each other.  Now if the other car is uninsured, then it will be messy for the other driver.

Without damage or injury there is no accident to stop for or report.

DiddyDavies

williamgriffin said:

Without damage or injury there is no accident to stop for or report.

But there was damage. Just because this was cleaned up doesn't mean that no damage occurred.

neilmcl said:

Fortunately it looked far worse than it was and turned out just to be paint transfer, I managed to polish it out.

williamgriffin

DiddyDavies said:

williamgriffin said:

Without damage or injury there is no accident to stop for or report.

But there was damage. Just because this was cleaned up doesn't mean that no damage occurred.

neilmcl said:

Fortunately it looked far worse than it was and turned out just to be paint transfer, I managed to polish it out.

Don't mean his paint work was damaged. 

DiddyDavies

williamgriffin said:

DiddyDavies said:

williamgriffin said:

Without damage or injury there is no accident to stop for or report.

But there was damage. Just because this was cleaned up doesn't mean that no damage occurred.

neilmcl said:

Fortunately it looked far worse than it was and turned out just to be paint transfer, I managed to polish it out.

Don't mean his paint work was damaged. 

Of course it was damaged. If paint from another vehicle went onto the OP's car, damage occurred.
I would have thought that someone such as yourself who keeps posting about the law would know the legal definition of damage.