£100 for a 2 minute job?

Phil4432

Risteard said:

Phil4432 said:

They definitely should have told you how much it would cost, and what their rates were.  Always best to ask when booking.  And don;t let them in without PPE, especially if you have kids in the house.

Masks are not recognised as a mitigation measure generally for construction and engineering works being carried out. The advice stresses maintaining a distance. There is no obligation to wear a mask carrying out works. I would never wear one without it specifically being requested. I also realise that there is absolutely no scientific evidence to support the use of masks, and it is merely virtue signalling. I am not a virtue signaller.

A tradesman who doesn't know basic health and safety.  Shocked, I tell you.

Doozergirl

Phil4432 said:

Doozergirl said:

Phil4432 said:

They definitely should have told you how much it would cost, and what their rates were.  Always best to ask when booking.  And don;t let them in without PPE, especially if you have kids in the house.

Especially if you have kids?   The mind boggles.  

Correct.  Most normal people don't want their children to have a potentially deadly virus.  Most normal people don't want rising damp either Doozergirl, to go back to the utter nonsense you were coming out with before.

Children are the least likely to contract or the spread the virus.   They're also the least likely people to be spending time sharing the same breathing space in the house as a tradesperson.   It's grown ups that need to be most careful.  

Thank you for your opinion on a totally unrelated thread of yours.  Given that I run a national award winning building company and have been renovating old and listed buildings for over 20 years AND have a proven track record in solving damp problems where several 'specialists' have already tried and failed, you won't mind if I completely ignore it.  🥂

I'm also not the one who has needed to start three threads about the same problem and then pretends to know more than the professional.  

Jeepers_Creepers

OOOooooooOOOOOOoooooh!

Handbags :-)   

kdotdotdotdot

Lovely how this thread got so off track!  Interesting how many people still don't understand how masks actually work.

Masks don't stop viruses.  That's been known for about, oh half a century or so.  What masks do do is reduce the dispersal of droplets that we spray whenever we speak and even more so when we cough, sneeze, shout or sing.  Viruses such as flu, cold and various SARS variants are mostly dispersed this way.

Note: the key word is 'reduce'.  Masks don't fully stop the droplets, but cut them down enormously.  If I'm talking to someone while we're both wearing masks, my mask reduces the number of droplets I'm spraying out.  The 2m distance between us reduces again the chances of my droplets reaching that other person and their mask reduces yet again the chances of my droplets reaching their nose/mouth.  

Note again the use of the word 'reduce'.  It doesn't offer complete 100% protection but does greatly reduce spread and that's what is trying to be achieved.  If everyone wears masks and keeps their distance, we greatly reduce the spread of disease.  And that's why we wear them.  

Risteard

Phil4432 said:

Risteard said:

Phil4432 said:

They definitely should have told you how much it would cost, and what their rates were.  Always best to ask when booking.  And don;t let them in without PPE, especially if you have kids in the house.

Masks are not recognised as a mitigation measure generally for construction and engineering works being carried out. The advice stresses maintaining a distance. There is no obligation to wear a mask carrying out works. I would never wear one without it specifically being requested. I also realise that there is absolutely no scientific evidence to support the use of masks, and it is merely virtue signalling. I am not a virtue signaller.

A tradesman who doesn't know basic health and safety.  Shocked, I tell you.

Virtue signalling has nothing to do with Health & Safety.

Norman_Castle

Risteard said:

Phil4432 said:

Risteard said:

Phil4432 said:

They definitely should have told you how much it would cost, and what their rates were.  Always best to ask when booking.  And don;t let them in without PPE, especially if you have kids in the house.

Masks are not recognised as a mitigation measure generally for construction and engineering works being carried out. The advice stresses maintaining a distance. There is no obligation to wear a mask carrying out works. I would never wear one without it specifically being requested. I also realise that there is absolutely no scientific evidence to support the use of masks, and it is merely virtue signalling. I am not a virtue signaller.

A tradesman who doesn't know basic health and safety.  Shocked, I tell you.

Virtue signalling has nothing to do with Health & Safety.

Wearing a mask during a global pandemic isn't virtue signalling, people are simply following rules and guidance.

Korkyb

Risteard said:

Jeepers_Creepers said:

Risteard said:

Actually, the evidence (as shown by the Damask study) is that they have no, or a negligible, effect. It is also a known fact that the majority are not worn properly, and cause an increase in touching around the facial area. They also are not sufficiently washed or replaced. This can all actually increase the viral load.

There is no scientific basis for masks. They are simply virtue signalling. Many scientific and medical experts have categorically stated this. The fact that the perceived wisdom allows no debate around this does not make it correct. Totalitarianism is not something which should be supported.

The so-called "cases" are also based on an over-amplified PCR test which was never intended to be used to determine who was infected or not. It had always previously been the case that someone who was not presenting with symptoms was not considered to be a case. The fact is that the COVID figures have been counted in an entirely different way to how we count the figures for any other disease, which makes comparison impossible.

The greatest threat to the human race is the rise in such authoritarianism, totalitarianism and dictatorships. It should be called what it actually is - Treason.

I think I've just ID'd another threat to the human race.

Risteard, are you saying masks have no effect at all against transmission?

They have no proven effect, and any possible effect is likely to be minimal and probably overridden by the negatives of incorrect use and lack of washing/replacement. In other words it is likely that they do much more harm than good, and certainly I would always hold that mandating something like that is wholly outside any lawful authority of any state..

I'm a Senior Charge Nurse working as part of the Covid 19 response.

My wife is a Senior Staff Nurse working in ITU and is regularly in very close physical contact with Covid 19 patients who are seriously ill or dying.

- We both wear masks while at work.
- Neither of us has as yet contracted Covid 19.


Anyone who says that wearing a mask doesn't make a difference is either misinformed or a troll.


I suspect your comment about it being outside the lawful authority of a state to try to protect its citizens speaks volumes and likely plays a large part in the formulation of your opinion on mask efficacy.


Perhaps if you walked in my wife's shoes for one of her 12.5 hour shifts you might feel differently.....

........or perhaps not.


Either way - stay safe.

.

Risteard

Korkyb said:

Perhaps if you walked in my wife's shoes for one of her 12.5 hour shifts you might feel differently.....

I would never hold the view that totalitarian restrictions are lawful. They are Treasonous. I make no apology for stating this.

There has been absolutely no balance in the imposition of these totalitarian edicts - issued by decree - and no consideration for the adverse consequences of them. I will never cease demanding that all of those responsible for these diktats be prosecuted for Treason against whichever country they come from. Subservience to demands from Twitter and Facebook is the ultimate cowardice, and shall kill many more people than COVID ever could.

Prepare the lampposts, bridges and trees and the piano wire...

Jeepers_Creepers

No need for an apology, Ris. It's your view.

But I still ask you - why aren't you complaining at the proroguing of Parliament, unanimously found to have been illegal by 13 supreme court judges? If you want to call something 'treasonous', why not choose something factual to chew on rather than subjective?

What about the string of blatant, bare-faced lies told in the cause of Brexit? No? Nothing to say about this? Why not?

One of the funniest is the 'savings' we'd have for the NHS should we leave. In the whole 47 years of being in the EU, I understand the UK has contributed to it a total of ~£217 billion. In the 2 years since the 'vote' - yes, before we even left! - the UK has lost guess how much, due to lack of investment and the direct nobbling effect to our economy? Snap.

And yet you say nothing. Lamp post ma botty.

You are welcome to your view, but thankfully you are in an ever-diminishing minority.

Risteard

Jeepers_Creepers said:

No need for an apology, Ris. It's your view.

But I still ask you - why aren't you complaining at the proroguing of Parliament, unanimously found to have been illegal by 13 supreme court judges? If you want to call something 'treasonous', why not choose something factual to chew on rather than subjective?

What about the string of blatant, bare-faced lies told in the cause of Brexit? No? Nothing to say about this? Why not?

One of the funniest is the 'savings' we'd have for the NHS should we leave. In the whole 47 years of being in the EU, I understand the UK has contributed to it a total of ~£217 billion. In the 2 years since the 'vote' - yes, before we even left! - the UK has lost guess how much, due to lack of investment and the direct nobbling effect to our economy? Snap.

And yet you say nothing. Lamp post ma botty.

You are welcome to your view, but thankfully you are in an ever-diminishing minority.

The so-called "EU" flies in the face of national sovereignty. Whilst I have never accepted British jurisdiction in my country I agree with Brexit. This is because I am not so hypocritical and misguided to believe that London rule should be substituted for Brussels rule. That would be such a hollow "victory".