£100 for a 2 minute job?

Jeepers_Creepers

abc987 said:

southcoastrgi said:

abc987 said:

Always hold back 40% of the payment for approximately a fortnight, to allow you to check the work properly.
Usually, once they have your money, they loose interest and don't even bother turning up when things go wrong. (not all of them thou)

Do you go to Tesco & say I'm not paying 40% of my shopping bill in case I don't like your lettuce 

Tesco. That's not a fair comparison of services.
That's like comparing Apples with Oranges.
I know so many people this has happened to. The tradesman take your money, and when things go wrong and you try and get them back to fix it, they just stop answering the phone.
What's the objection to being paid 40% 2 weeks later. Simple bank transfer of the said 40%, job done (as they say in the trade).

Again, the vast majority will do a good job first time, and will fall over themselves to put right anything amiss afterwards. If not, you 'oblige' them to.

Meanwhile, keep telling your tradespeeps "Cool - great job! But, how do I know it ain't carp under the surface! I don't trust you to come back if anything goes wrong, so I'm sure you'll understand if I keep hold of 40% for now. What? You don't like it? Well, go swi..."

Risteard

Jeepers_Creepers said:

Risteard said:

Actually, the evidence (as shown by the Damask study) is that they have no, or a negligible, effect. It is also a known fact that the majority are not worn properly, and cause an increase in touching around the facial area. They also are not sufficiently washed or replaced. This can all actually increase the viral load.

There is no scientific basis for masks. They are simply virtue signalling. Many scientific and medical experts have categorically stated this. The fact that the perceived wisdom allows no debate around this does not make it correct. Totalitarianism is not something which should be supported.

The so-called "cases" are also based on an over-amplified PCR test which was never intended to be used to determine who was infected or not. It had always previously been the case that someone who was not presenting with symptoms was not considered to be a case. The fact is that the COVID figures have been counted in an entirely different way to how we count the figures for any other disease, which makes comparison impossible.

The greatest threat to the human race is the rise in such authoritarianism, totalitarianism and dictatorships. It should be called what it actually is - Treason.

I think I've just ID'd another threat to the human race.

Risteard, are you saying masks have no effect at all against transmission?

They have no proven effect, and any possible effect is likely to be minimal and probably overridden by the negatives of incorrect use and lack of washing/replacement. In other words it is likely that they do much more harm than good, and certainly I would always hold that mandating something like that is wholly outside any lawful authority of any state..

Jeepers_Creepers

"no proven...possible...probably...likely..."

You may be right, Risteard, I don't know for sure. Common sense tells me, tho', that it's bound to have some benefit in reducing virus transmission since it has some effect in blocking or reducing air flow which would otherwise be directed at a fair velocity in a forwards motion. There are also two filters involved in each transaction - the deliverer's and the recipient's.

A more obvious benefit, I would suggest (it certainly works for me), is that it's a constant reminder of what we are dealing with, and keeps one on ones toes, as it were; there is no escaping the fact that there's 'something' to be very wary of.

I guess one could argue against this by saying it gives folk false confidence, and they take less care when wearing a mask; I'm sure that applies to some folk, but not to anyone I know. I'm happy with that Darwinian compromise.

It's a toughie, but whilst surgeons find it a cool idea to wear one during their job, I think I'd rather hedge my bet on the 'it helps' side too.

Anyhoo, I can't help feeling there's a bigger issue at stake here - 'it's wholly outside any lawful authority of any state'? Could you point me to the laws involved which are being broken? I'm guessing that you must have been as equally indignant at the proroguing of Parliament (that was well illegal)? And the effective removal of Parliamentary sovereignty when the Gov allowed one single day of scrutiny of the Brexit 'deal'?

Risteard

Jeepers_Creepers said:

I guess one could argue against this by saying it gives folk false confidence, and they take less care when wearing a mask; I'm sure that applies to some folk, but not to anyone I know. I'm happy with that Darwinian compromise.

It's a toughie, but whilst surgeons find it a cool idea to wear one during their job, I think I'd rather hedge my bet on the 'it helps' side too.

Anyhoo, I can't help feeling there's a bigger issue at stake here - 'it's wholly outside any lawful authority of any state'? Could you point me to the laws involved which are being broken? I'm guessing that you must have been as equally indignant at the proroguing of Parliament (that was well illegal)? And the effective removal of Parliamentary sovereignty when the Gov allowed one single day of scrutiny of the Brexit 'deal'?

Point 1: This is almost certainly an effect of widespread use of masks. Ask yourself why every jurisdiction which has claimed to "mandate" them has had an increase in cases shortly after mandating them.

Point 2: No point comparing surgery to buses and shops - they aren't remotely the same thing.

Point 3: The least democratic thing about Brexit was everyone trying to overthrow the express wishes of the people as expressed through the referendum. It's this type of absolutism which we see again here. I believe that the creation of the totalitarian state - which is unquestionably what has happened with the COVID response - is both unlawful, and indeed an act of Treason. I firmly believe that world leaders will be punished severely for this in the future as the catastrophic effects are realised for decades if not a century. I believe that they will be hanged from lampposts, bridges and trees - and I shall have no sympathy for them.

Doozergirl

Big hugs.  

DiddyDavies

Risteard said:

Point 1: This is almost certainly an effect of widespread use of masks. Ask yourself why every jurisdiction which has claimed to "mandate" them has had an increase in cases shortly after mandating them.

Point 2: No point comparing surgery to buses and shops - they aren't remotely the same thing.

Point 3: The least democratic thing about Brexit was everyone trying to overthrow the express wishes of the people as expressed through the referendum. It's this type of absolutism which we see again here. I believe that the creation of the totalitarian state - which is unquestionably what has happened with the COVID response - is both unlawful, and indeed an act of Treason. I firmly believe that world leaders will be punished severely for this in the future as the catastrophic effects are realised for decades if not a century. I believe that they will be hanged from lampposts, bridges and trees - and I shall have no sympathy for them.

Point 1: Maybe the increase in cases would have been far higher had no one been wearing masks.

Point 2: Why aren't they the same thing? The purpose of the masks is exactly the same in both cases and that purpose is to help prevent the wearer from passing on any infectious material from their mouth and nose.

Point 3: If you believe that insisting that people wear masks is "both unlawful, and indeed an act of Treason" why not go to court and state your case?

Jeepers_Creepers

Risteard said:

Point 1: This is almost certainly an effect of widespread use of masks. Ask yourself why every jurisdiction which has claimed to "mandate" them has had an increase in cases shortly after mandating them.

Point 2: No point comparing surgery to buses and shops - they aren't remotely the same thing.

Point 3: The least democratic thing about Brexit was everyone trying to overthrow the express wishes of the people as expressed through the referendum. It's this type of absolutism which we see again here. I believe that the creation of the totalitarian state - which is unquestionably what has happened with the COVID response - is both unlawful, and indeed an act of Treason. I firmly believe that world leaders will be punished severely for this in the future as the catastrophic effects are realised for decades if not a century. I believe that they will be hanged from lampposts, bridges and trees - and I shall have no sympathy for them.

Point 1: Evidence, please. Because without this it's, well, you know.

Point 2: I refer you to the answer given by Diddy.

Point 3: Still no idea which law has been broken 'cos you haven't said.

"believe... unquestionably... totalitarian state... treason... firmly believe...hanged from lampposts... ".

And "no sympathy".

You are clearly passionate about this. And yet, and yet, the daily exposure of the dire consequences of the deliberate misinformation given by the Brexit campaigners registers not at all on your radar? Nor the fact that populist mismanagement and sheer incompetence has led to the UK having one of the worst outcomes from this virus in the whole world? No, no a squeak. 

Doozergirl

There's no point, Jeepers.  Once the rabbit hole appears in social media for people, they're down it. 

Jeepers_Creepers

The good news is that, because it's another example of absolutism determined by a totalitarian state, Ris will be giving his vaccine to someone else.

Phil4432

Doozergirl said:

Phil4432 said:

They definitely should have told you how much it would cost, and what their rates were.  Always best to ask when booking.  And don;t let them in without PPE, especially if you have kids in the house.

Especially if you have kids?   The mind boggles.  

Correct.  Most normal people don't want their children to have a potentially deadly virus.  Most normal people don't want rising damp either Doozergirl, to go back to the utter nonsense you were coming out with before.