Companies in the UK (Mainland) who will no longer deliver to N.Ireland?

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ripplyuk said:

qwert_yuiop said:

So, is there anyone left who still thinks brexit is a good idea? Why?

Since these are all British businesses, surely the problem is that we’re still in the EU single market? If we’d left along with the rest of the U.K., sending goods from the mainland to here wouldn’t be an issue. It seems to me that it’s not so much brexit being the problem but rather a ‘lack of’ brexit. 

I’m surprised that you casually say that like it’s easy. The reason why this is so complicated is the hard work that brought about the Good Friday agreement and ended the troubles. This whole Brexit affair has the potential further down the road of unraveling the agreement or at least causing flash points of violence. 

ripplyuk

Deleted_User said:

ripplyuk said:

qwert_yuiop said:

So, is there anyone left who still thinks brexit is a good idea? Why?

Since these are all British businesses, surely the problem is that we’re still in the EU single market? If we’d left along with the rest of the U.K., sending goods from the mainland to here wouldn’t be an issue. It seems to me that it’s not so much brexit being the problem but rather a ‘lack of’ brexit. 

I’m surprised that you casually say that like it’s easy. The reason why this is so complicated is the hard work that brought about the Good Friday agreement and ended the troubles. This whole Brexit affair has the potential further down the road of unraveling the agreement or at least causing flash points of violence. 

The Irish Sea border has the potential to cause a return of violence too. I don’t know what the answer is but right now, it feels like we are surrounded by borders; one with the ROI and now one in the Irish Sea. Personally, I would have no problem having a hard border with the ROI of it allows us to trade freely with the rest of the U.K. but I accept that certain people would kick off if that happened. The good Friday agreement was a long time ago and things change. We should be able to do what makes sense in practical terms rather than being stuck in the past. 

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ripplyuk said:

Deleted_User said:

ripplyuk said:

qwert_yuiop said:

So, is there anyone left who still thinks brexit is a good idea? Why?

Since these are all British businesses, surely the problem is that we’re still in the EU single market? If we’d left along with the rest of the U.K., sending goods from the mainland to here wouldn’t be an issue. It seems to me that it’s not so much brexit being the problem but rather a ‘lack of’ brexit. 

I’m surprised that you casually say that like it’s easy. The reason why this is so complicated is the hard work that brought about the Good Friday agreement and ended the troubles. This whole Brexit affair has the potential further down the road of unraveling the agreement or at least causing flash points of violence. 

The Irish Sea border has the potential to cause a return of violence too. I don’t know what the answer is but right now, it feels like we are surrounded by borders; one with the ROI and now one in the Irish Sea. Personally, I would have no problem having a hard border with the ROI of it allows us to trade freely with the rest of the U.K. but I accept that certain people would kick off if that happened. The good Friday agreement was a long time ago and things change. We should be able to do what makes sense in practical terms rather than being stuck in the past. 

Well right now your own NI leaders and the people of NI didn't just want to put up a border controls with ROI and have decided to be part of this current mess. So we will see what they will do to try and forge ahead that does not cause too much violence but keeps all parties on board. 

donnac2558

ripplyuk said:

Deleted_User said:

ripplyuk said:

qwert_yuiop said:

So, is there anyone left who still thinks brexit is a good idea? Why?

Since these are all British businesses, surely the problem is that we’re still in the EU single market? If we’d left along with the rest of the U.K., sending goods from the mainland to here wouldn’t be an issue. It seems to me that it’s not so much brexit being the problem but rather a ‘lack of’ brexit. 

I’m surprised that you casually say that like it’s easy. The reason why this is so complicated is the hard work that brought about the Good Friday agreement and ended the troubles. This whole Brexit affair has the potential further down the road of unraveling the agreement or at least causing flash points of violence. 

The Irish Sea border has the potential to cause a return of violence too. I don’t know what the answer is but right now, it feels like we are surrounded by borders; one with the ROI and now one in the Irish Sea. Personally, I would have no problem having a hard border with the ROI of it allows us to trade freely with the rest of the U.K. but I accept that certain people would kick off if that happened. The good Friday agreement was a long time ago and things change. We should be able to do what makes sense in practical terms rather than being stuck in the past. 

The Good Friday Agreement is an internationally recognized treaty which will not be changed or broken.   You talk about being struck in the past it was this agreement which stopped the bombing and killing and help bring peace.  If you actually think oh well it is old now lets get rid of it you are living in a fantasy world.    There will be no hard border in Ireland simple.  Boris and his government do not care about N.I. they will not break the protocol they have no interest in doing so.

Oh, there is no border with ROI, we like them are still in the EU goods market so stuff travels freeing between the Republic and N.I.

RikM

ripplyuk said:

Deleted_User said:

ripplyuk said:

qwert_yuiop said:

So, is there anyone left who still thinks brexit is a good idea? Why?

Since these are all British businesses, surely the problem is that we’re still in the EU single market? If we’d left along with the rest of the U.K., sending goods from the mainland to here wouldn’t be an issue. It seems to me that it’s not so much brexit being the problem but rather a ‘lack of’ brexit. 

I’m surprised that you casually say that like it’s easy. The reason why this is so complicated is the hard work that brought about the Good Friday agreement and ended the troubles. This whole Brexit affair has the potential further down the road of unraveling the agreement or at least causing flash points of violence. 

The Irish Sea border has the potential to cause a return of violence too. I don’t know what the answer is but right now, it feels like we are surrounded by borders; one with the ROI and now one in the Irish Sea. Personally, I would have no problem having a hard border with the ROI of it allows us to trade freely with the rest of the U.K. but I accept that certain people would kick off if that happened. The good Friday agreement was a long time ago and things change. We should be able to do what makes sense in practical terms rather than being stuck in the past. 

Almost like Brexit is a tremendously bad idea, isn't it?

qwert_yuiop

A hard border was never a serious prospect. Who wanted to pay for enforcement at 300+ crossings? It was only ever a question, if we left the EU at all, of remaining in CU and SM, or an Irish Sea border. Four and a half years later, we’ve ended up with exactly what was predicted by none other than Nigel Dodds more than two years ago. Bizarrely, the dup still clung to Johnson’s destructive hard brexit ideas when they held the balance of power and could have backed Teresa or even represented the electorate here properly and come out against Brexit. One thing is now clear, the DUP have committed a colossal error of Napoleon- goes-to Moscow levels.

if you need proof Brexit is a mistake, take note that gove wants the transition period extended another two years.
It’s hard to see a way out of this mess. Any ideas?

ripplyuk

donnac2558 said:

ripplyuk said:

Deleted_User said:

ripplyuk said:

qwert_yuiop said:

So, is there anyone left who still thinks brexit is a good idea? Why?

Since these are all British businesses, surely the problem is that we’re still in the EU single market? If we’d left along with the rest of the U.K., sending goods from the mainland to here wouldn’t be an issue. It seems to me that it’s not so much brexit being the problem but rather a ‘lack of’ brexit. 

I’m surprised that you casually say that like it’s easy. The reason why this is so complicated is the hard work that brought about the Good Friday agreement and ended the troubles. This whole Brexit affair has the potential further down the road of unraveling the agreement or at least causing flash points of violence. 

The Irish Sea border has the potential to cause a return of violence too. I don’t know what the answer is but right now, it feels like we are surrounded by borders; one with the ROI and now one in the Irish Sea. Personally, I would have no problem having a hard border with the ROI of it allows us to trade freely with the rest of the U.K. but I accept that certain people would kick off if that happened. The good Friday agreement was a long time ago and things change. We should be able to do what makes sense in practical terms rather than being stuck in the past. 

Oh, there is no border with ROI, we like them are still in the EU goods market so stuff travels freeing between the Republic and N.I.

Of course there’s a border! It’s a different country. They’re going to start issuing fines if we cross that border without a good excuse which would be a bit strange if one doesn’t exist. 

We’re still in the EU single market but that is causing problems for businesses in the ROI as well as us. A large amount of their stock comes through Dover. 

donnac2558

Yes, the fines are for people doing unnecessary journeys not people who travel up and down every day to go to work.  If you cannot work from home people are still going to work and that includes those who work in the Republic and come home to the North every day.   Farmers tending their fields.   You do know England is a different country as is Scotland and Wales?  Parts of the UK but different countries.

People who live in Northern Ireland will face fines from Monday onwards if they are caught crossing the Irish border without "a reasonable excuse".

The unprecedented step has been taken by the Irish government in a bid to prevent the spread of Covid-19.

Anyone engaged in cross-border travel in breach of Ireland's Covid-19 restrictions will be fined €100 (£88).

Gardaí (Irish police) have said the new rules will be enforced from 07:00 local time on Monday 8 February.

Northern Ireland residents who have to cross the border for essential work or essential purposes, such as seeking medical treatment, will be exempt from fines.

Public health guidance in NI says people "should not travel in or out of Northern Ireland except where it is essential to do so".

There was a commission which was supposed to be set up in January 2019 to monitor and sort out the problems of products coming from the EU and the UK and Northern Ireland.  It was never set up the Tories just as usually ignored and thought it will all just sort it's self out.

donnac2558

Scotland has also stated they do not want people crossing their borders from England for the same reason.  So far they have not started to fine them but who knows?

qwert_yuiop

I crossed at at Ravensdale this morning with not a guard in sight.
Other places have COVID related travel control within their own state - Melbourne was closed off from the rest of Victoria late last year and Queensland has limited access from Sydney.
I meet all kinds of people in my work, and a lorry company owner told me last week they’re using the new Rosslare to Dunkirk service rather than risking delays at Holyhead and Dover, even though it takes 26 hours. Indeed, the viability of Holyhead port is apparently now in some doubt.
Yes, it’s a mess.