Issued Parking Ticket for attending Covid Vaccination

BrownTrout

Uptown_Boy said:

BrownTrout said:

awaw76 said:

Umkomaas said:

Unless this is the same poster as on PePiPoo (and I don't think it is), this church car park is going to take a hammering from CEL. I do think we need to get to the bottom of the reasons and conditions there as I expect we will be getting more in the coming weeks. 

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=137512&pid=1607901&st=0&#entry1607901

As I said on the PePiPoo thread: 'On a tangential note, as mass vaccination gets underway, I can see PPCs having a field day, making up for lost profits. The virus impoverishing, then enriching them!'

I was in after that time. People were just coming and going, if I needed to register our cars then I would have but there was no mention. 

just follow my appeal text to the letter, its really that simple.........

Except change confirm to conform ... so literally change one letter (The pedant in me would also say to change ps to PS, but hey ...... )

Ooops 
Thanks for spotting

Coupon-mad

When you put in BrownTrout's appeal, please tell us how easy (or not) it is to AVOID ANSWERING 'were you the driver?' on CEL's website.  I'm reporting this issue to the BPA to try to stop this particular scam in its tracks and was separately assured by the BPA earlier this year, that appellants can click through and not answer 'were you the driver?' and that the BPA had no problem with CEL's website appeals page.


Please report your findings about that particular issue back here because the last person I got to try it said it looked like you can't leave it blank.  Can you?

DO NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER YIOU WERE THE DRIVER. 

DO THE APPEAL IN THE NAME OF THE KEEPER ON THE NOTICE TO KEEPER.

BrownTrout

CM Coupon-mad said:

When you put in BrownTrout's appeal, please tell us how easy (or not) it is to AVOID ANSWERING 'were you the driver?' on CEL's website.  I'm reporting this issue to the BPA to try to stop this particular scam in its tracks and was separately assured by the BPA earlier this year, that appellants can click through and not answer 'were you the driver?' and that the BPA had no problem with CEL's website appeals page.


Please report your findings about that particular issue back here because the last person I got to try it said it looked like you can't leave it blank.  Can you?

DO NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER YIOU WERE THE DRIVER. 

DO THE APPEAL IN THE NAME OF THE KEEPER ON THE NOTICE TO KEEPER.

When you go on the portal
First question were you the driver Y/N  -->
If you answer No then it asks were you the registered keeper 
---> where you answer Y/N
When it asks for a phone number (mandatory field) enter a fake one, all other fields are pre filled with the keeper details.

fisherjim

No doubt someone from the NHS or other authority contacted the church and paid a nominal fee to use the car park, but no one thought about the parking company on site who just rubbed their hands at all the non whitelisted ANPR print outs their computers spewed out.

There will probably be hundreds caught like this, and CEL will be crying fowl to the Church wardens that unchristianly engaged them in the first place, what a mess!

But what a field day for the likes of The Daily Fail!

Coupon-mad

BrownTrout said:

When you go on the portal
First question were you the driver Y/N  -->
If you answer No then it asks were you the registered keeper 
---> where you answer Y/N
When it asks for a phone number (mandatory field) enter a fake one, all other fields are pre filled with the keeper details.

But the BPA reminded AOS members in January that they are not allowed to force an appellant to have to answer Yes or No to 'were you the driver?'

https://email.britishparking.co.uk/52KH-5607-F5UI94QAE/cr.aspx

''The BPA would like to remind all AOS members that appeals cannot be conditional. It has been brought to our attention that some operators have been making the appellant choose whether or not they are the driver, before being allowed to submit their appeal. This is considered making an appeal conditional.  The motorist does not have to provide this information, and our Code states that drivers, keepers and hirers should all have the opportunity to appeal:

23.7 We consider it a reasonable timescale to allow 28 days from the issue of the parking charge notice (in whatever format you send it) to allow the driver, keeper or hirer to appeal the enforcement action. A keeper cannot make an appeal concerning the same incident if the driver has already appealed.''

That's in the public domain, from a DVLA FOI:

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/emails_between_british_parking_a#incoming-1633493

I want to know, can you get past CEL's appeal page without answering the question at all?  If you cannot, then the BPA will be informed (again).

BrownTrout

No you cant get beyond it without selecting yes/no

awaw76

Le_Kirk said:

You read the NEWBIE sticky, which will, along with lots more useful advice, that Plan A (complain to the landowner - church?) is always best.

When I call them today, what information should I give them. Should I confirm or deny who was driving and provide my telephone number or ask for all correspondence to be via email?

Umkomaas

awaw76 said:

Le_Kirk said:

You read the NEWBIE sticky, which will, along with lots more useful advice, that Plan A (complain to the landowner - church?) is always best.

When I call them today, what information should I give them. Should I confirm or deny who was driving and provide my telephone number or ask for all correspondence to be via email?

I would just be natural in speaking with the church. If you start stumbling over sentences, trying to hide the identity of the driver, it won't be easy to make your point and they might become a bit defensive. The church can't pass on driver information to the PPC based on a phone call. 

At the end of your call, ask if you can email the church with a synopsis of your discussion and ask if they could simply confirm it as the PPC they have engaged is highly litigious. Say that for your own peace of mind, having a written confirmation would be very helpful as the PPC could instigate legal proceedings at any time in the next 6 years. 

BrownTrout

Have you logged the appeal with CEL as advised....

awaw76

BrownTrout said:

Have you logged the appeal with CEL as advised....

Thanks you for yourr advise but I was just going off the first post which was speak to the Churchh first and then log my appeal or should I do both? I just want to make sure things are in writing. 
This is the first time I have dealt with a fine notice and I am a bit apprehensive of how to continue thats all. 

Again Thanks for all your advise.