Frump to Fab 2021

pattycake

sheilavw said:

just checking in on here. Really wet and miserable today, not got out for a walk. I usually walk my Daughters dogs when its fine.

Well me my Sister and Brother have booked a cruise for mid August, we are aware that it may not happen. If it doesn't sail we get 100% refund or 125% cruise credit against another one within 15 months. It gives us something to aim for. The cruise have already emailed and said that there will be left people on board and other measures. I should imagine you may have to have had the vaccine

I am wondering how it can be demonstrated that a person has been vaccinated.  AFAIK there is not a certificate being issued at the time.  Interesting to hear how this pans out.

We have a trip booked and paid for already supposedly happening in June.  It was scheduled  to be June 2020 but we deferred for a year.  I was very optimistic that we could get away but the latest chatter about quarantine and other countries not actually wanting British tourists is not good.

We have yet to hear when we will be vaccinated.  Both over 70 so hopefully the first jab in the next couple of weeks.

maman

There's quite a bit of research around about teenagers and a later start to the day pixie. 
Later school start time 'may boost GCSE results' - BBC News
I know a local school did try it  a few years back but soon gave up. It was quite popular with pupils but not so with parents who liked to drop children off on the way to work. Maybe the reason that the school wants registration before lessons proper  start online is to give the young people time to come to. Maybe they call those who haven't checked in? 

There is an idea  around for vaccine passports patty but I think they're worried how to produce something that can't be forged. I've had injections to travel abroad before but that was just putting me at risk if I didn't have them (and probably invalidating my insurance) so not quite the same thing. Many countries are insisting on recent tests but they seem fraught with hold ups and quite expensive. 

Our June holiday is rolled over from last year too sheila. All we can do is hope. It's good that you have the cancellation clause in there. 

Hope you enjoy your M&S food pixie. 😋

helensbiggestfan

Well it's easy enough to produce documentation to prove someone has been vaccinated.  

When I went to the Amazon there were some obligatory vaccinations,  the chemist had to fill out a card and stamp it.  You were not allowed on the ship without that proof.  No ifs, no buts. 

Apparently after vaccination you have to wait for 15 minutes anyway in case there are any adverse reactions.   That time could be put to good use, the patient could fill in the card and get it stamped there and then.  Job done,  

Once the vaccine has been rolled out globally, The same should apply for all foreign travel, not just here in the U.K. but across the world.  No proof of vaccine, no boarding card. Some might say it's too harsh but it's the only way.  

It's only now, almost a year in and with the U.K. death toll now at a staggering 100 thousand, that border controls are finally being addressed.  😟

cbsexec

I know a lot of people in Wales are being issued with a card to say they have had their first jab and gives the date for the second 

sheilavw

P and O have already sent a pre cruise questionaire. One of the questions was have you had the vaccine. My Brother has had it, they give you a card with the date on, when you have your second, there is a space for the date again. It could end up being a requirement? Of course I am thinking ahead. It may not sail yet, but we have to have some hope!

On a brighter note its much milder here and fine

Floss

That's my vaccination card - date, vaccine & batch number. It also has my name under the pencil.

pattycake

maman’s point re forgery is the main issue.  A card which could easily be run off on a home printer will not cut it. I heard the travel expert Simon Calder refer to a QR code which can be scanned but apparently that raises issues regarding personal data.

thepurplepixie

Congratulations on getting your vaccination Floss.  I just had the welcome news that my son has had his first dose,  he's a  nurse who has been working on a ward with covid patients and ended up with covid himself.  I'm just hoping to hear a date for DH who is almost 75, disabled, overweight, BAME with diabetes so I think he is pretty vulnerable.  I will feel much more relaxed when that is done.
The death total is awful, I seem to remember that back in April Neil Ferguson got a bit of stick for saying if the lockdown was released we could see a death toll of 100,000 within the year.  So he was right, I'm sure it gives him no joy.

helensbiggestfan

Watched a documentary last night.  It was called 54 days something or other on BBC2. All about how the virus started in China and how the Chinese government fudged it all and refused to share information such as releasing the gene sequence of the virus to the WHO.  All because of the Chinese government's obsession with "stability" (read control) and not "losing face" to the West.  Well worth watching although you might feel your blood pressure rising. 

Let's just hope that the world, including China, has learnt some much needed lessons from all of this.  The main one being that international co-operation, transparency and sharing knowledge and information has to come before misplaced nationalism and party politics.  Less posturing, less hubris.  

Hey ho, we can but dream.......

I am by nature a positive and optimistic person, always looking for the silver lining and searching out the good rather than the bad but even I sometimes wonder if we have seen the best and that it's just a downward slope for humanity from now on.  I wonder what kind of world our grandchildren will be living in.  Will there eventually be some sort of renaissance.  I hope so.  

Oh dear, I do sound a bit of a Negative Nellie this morning but I can almost sense a pall of gloom hanging over the U.K. today with the truly appalling milestone of 100 thousand deaths.  

I am reminded of the words of Shakespeare in Romeo and Juliet 

"A glooming peace this morning with it brings
The sun, for sorrow, will not show his head.
Go hence, to have more talk of these sad things. 

Some shall be pardoned, and some punished.".......

Stay safe my friends and keep fabbing.  

Floss

I said I would post a pic of my bracelet when it arrived... it's a diamond tennis bracelet, about the thickness of a £1 coin.