What do you need in a dishwasher

Farway

Biggus_Dickus said:

J_B said:

DCFC79 said:

Its a Bosch which also replaced a Bosch which was so great, lasted for nearly 20 years, only issue which meant we had to replace it were the baskets had started to disintegrate and the cost of the replacements were expensive.

We have a Bosch which has only been going for 13 years so far and our baskets are rusting a little - like you I looked at replacements, but nearly more than a new D/W 🙄

DCFC79 said:

What I'd look for in a dishwasher is, electric usage, 

Is this relevant when spending £500 (?) on a machine?

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One more thing to look out for - we have this issue in one of our holiday rental apartments (can't remember the make sorry) - the cutlery basket is at the back of the bottom tray so every-time you make a brew, you have to open the door and slide the tray all the way out, just to put the teaspoon to wash!

I’m a seasoned dishwasher user;...bought my first one in 1986 and had them ever since.

First world problem I know,  but having a cutlery-basket at the back certainly gets very annoying for the reasons you mentioned.

However, there are dishwashers that have rear cutlery-baskets on sale atm;...is it just bad design or is there a valid reason why some manufacturers think a ‘rear cutlery basket’ is a good idea?...is a rear basket safer? i.e. people (children!) less likely to injure themselves on upright sharp knives et al.

 

 

Maybe a couple of deaths from falling onto knives? My DW instructions specifically states to place knives blade down in the basket

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grumpycrab

Biggus_Dickus said:

I’ve never had a cutlery ‘tray’ but is your ‘water hardness’ setting correct?,...and salt level.

Did adjust once (no apparent difference) but need to check again. It is odd because there appears to be a spray nozzle in the roof of the machine.  Cleaning was fine with previous Bosch cutlery basket (knive tips pointing down surely is common sense?).

Sandtree

grumpycrab said:(knive tips pointing down surely is common sense?).

From a cleaning perspective I would have said points up given its the blade/point that gets the dirtiest so and on a full load the bottom of the basket is more densely packed than the items splayed out the top.

Dont have little ones to have accidents and kitchen knives dont go in our dishwasher so willing to take the risk on cutlery knives

Biggus_Dickus

Farway said:

Biggus_Dickus said:

J_B said:

DCFC79 said:

Its a Bosch which also replaced a Bosch which was so great, lasted for nearly 20 years, only issue which meant we had to replace it were the baskets had started to disintegrate and the cost of the replacements were expensive.

We have a Bosch which has only been going for 13 years so far and our baskets are rusting a little - like you I looked at replacements, but nearly more than a new D/W 🙄

DCFC79 said:

What I'd look for in a dishwasher is, electric usage, 

Is this relevant when spending £500 (?) on a machine?

=============================================

One more thing to look out for - we have this issue in one of our holiday rental apartments (can't remember the make sorry) - the cutlery basket is at the back of the bottom tray so every-time you make a brew, you have to open the door and slide the tray all the way out, just to put the teaspoon to wash!

I’m a seasoned dishwasher user;...bought my first one in 1986 and had them ever since.

First world problem I know,  but having a cutlery-basket at the back certainly gets very annoying for the reasons you mentioned.

However, there are dishwashers that have rear cutlery-baskets on sale atm;...is it just bad design or is there a valid reason why some manufacturers think a ‘rear cutlery basket’ is a good idea?...is a rear basket safer? i.e. people (children!) less likely to injure themselves on upright sharp knives et al.

 

 

Maybe a couple of deaths from falling onto knives? My DW instructions specifically states to place knives blade down in the basket

Here [DMail]

Sadly, yes. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/boy-12-impaled-on-kitchen-knife-1264655.html
p.s. your DailyMail link appears to be broken.

getmore4less

For white goods the delegated regulations are a quite a read on how they get to the numbers quoted in the product fiche and the energy labels.

For dishwashers the energy consumption is based on 280 standard low energy cycles, as is the water usage.

Unless that is the one cycle you plan to use you have to go look in the manuals to compare the energy/water use of the cycles you will use between models the labels are pretty useless for that.

Also a lot of models now remove part of the drying cycles to get reduced consumptions but have it as a add on to the cycle if you want dry dishes  
The performance index A+++.B.......etc) are pretty usless once you are at the detail level

Can't find specific instructions for the sound test but the test models can when measured can be up to 2dB over the declared value and uses a eco cycle which will tend to be the quietest.

(these will be the newer regs some machines will still have the older labels.)
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32019R2017

Teapot55

Thank you to all contributors to this thread. MSE at its best! It’s given me new angles to consider when doing a kitchen upgrade in the new year. 

(@Sandtree so as not to go off topic I’m starting a new thread on ‘Housebuying & Renting’ so we can discuss the relative merits of utility rooms & ‘cloakrooms’  )

getmore4less

Sandtree said:

getmore4less said:

Get some of the free Fairy platinum /plus and try them if never used them before. 

I was a find tabs cheap(~5p) person(Lidl, Aldi...) and gone off finish since I found some  ~10p  fairy ones. 

Still check your arms and filter. 

We have used them before in a different machine and I cannot say that I remember a particularly marked difference in the cleaning but our machines have never had a low temp eco settling and with being a small working family with an impatient wife its never overloaded before it runs. Will give them a go though after the industrial sized box of these ones are used up.

Filter we did clean after rescuing the spoon... bottom arm looked all ok, didnt check the top arm as it was the only one spinning recently and so assumed it was working as results were poor rather than totally unwashed.

The arms can look OK but still have stuff in them that blocks the holes when the water is running.

which models have you shortlisted?

Have you downloaded and gone through the manuals to check the energy and water consumptions for the programs you are likely to use?

Sandtree

getmore4less said:

Have you downloaded and gone through the manuals to check the energy and water consumptions for the programs you are likely to use?

I have and because they are consecutive models by the same brand they are very similar figures, indeed the only difference is the lowest model is 0.02kWh higher energy in eco mode but the higher two have wifi so an energy consumption when not in use that the lower one doesnt have. 

RobM99

Wifi in a dishwasher? OK I'm a bit of a luddite I know, but my sponge just sort of sits there. I'm happy with that.

RumRat

My wife has everything she needs in a dishwasher.......and I also make the coffee afterwards....