What do you need in a dishwasher

couriervanman

JamoLew said:

The more stuff (gadgets) it comes with is just more stuff you wont use and more to go wrong imo

We've had a slimline integrated Hotpoint for 7 years which hasn't missed a beat and will clean baked on casserole dishes without the need to pre clean them ..(always amuses me when people say they prewash before putting in dishwasher)..using Aldi Magnum tablets 40 for £2.99

Robin9

Another vote for Bosch - on  3 times a day -  Lots of programmes but we only use 2 - the Eco 50 and rarely the Intensive 70.

Hot water does the trick most of the time but if you want tablets Asda 30 for £1.50 - the big names are silly prices.

Biggus_Dickus

DCFC79 said:

Internal light - dont see the point in having one really but the kitchen is light enough anyway.
Wifi - dont see the point, the 1 I use has a time on it and when its done its either 000 or its blank as it turns itself off after so many minutes.
Noise level is great, its quiet.
Its a Bosch which also replaced a Bosch which was so great, lasted for nearly 20 years, only issue which meant we had to replace it were the baskets had started to disintegrate and the cost of the replacements were expensive.

What I'd look for in a dishwasher is, electric usage,  Im liking the option to move the top basket down to accommodate a dish or you can move it up to let you put say taller items in.
Brand and price are important so Id consider a Bosch and a couple of other makes, the ones I saw other day were either £399 or £429 from either John Lewis or Ao.com, Im limited as Im looking for a freestanding slimline dishwasher.

My present dishwasher is a fully integrated Bosch that was fitted 14 months ago when I had my kitchen modernised.

The cutlery basket has already disintegrated to the extent that spoons etc can drop right through. I’ve just bought a replacement basket off eBay...it can’t be any worse than the original surely!

My previous machine was a freestanding Bosch but that only lasted just over 2 years! Prior to that I had a Siemens (same company) and it fared better than the Bosch but it certainly wasn’t a star performer when it came to longevity.

Things ain’t what they used to be!

cajef

We are on our second Bosch slimline dishwasher, the first lasted 17 years and our present one is 12 years old, it is used every evening once a day and has never been any problem with the way it washes and cleans things and we have never noticed it being particularly noisy.  

EssexExile

Biggus_Dickus said:

DCFC79 said:

Internal light - dont see the point in having one really but the kitchen is light enough anyway.
Wifi - dont see the point, the 1 I use has a time on it and when its done its either 000 or its blank as it turns itself off after so many minutes.
Noise level is great, its quiet.
Its a Bosch which also replaced a Bosch which was so great, lasted for nearly 20 years, only issue which meant we had to replace it were the baskets had started to disintegrate and the cost of the replacements were expensive.

What I'd look for in a dishwasher is, electric usage,  Im liking the option to move the top basket down to accommodate a dish or you can move it up to let you put say taller items in.
Brand and price are important so Id consider a Bosch and a couple of other makes, the ones I saw other day were either £399 or £429 from either John Lewis or Ao.com, Im limited as Im looking for a freestanding slimline dishwasher.

My present dishwasher is a fully integrated Bosch that was fitted 14 months ago when I had my kitchen modernised.

The cutlery basket has already disintegrated to the extent that spoons etc can drop right through. I’ve just bought a replacement basket off eBay...it can’t be any worse than the original surely!

My previous machine was a freestanding Bosch but that only lasted just over 2 years! Prior to that I had a Siemens (same company) and it fared better than the Bosch but it certainly wasn’t a star performer when it came to longevity.

Things ain’t what they used to be!

When I used to repair these things for a living there were customers who kept the same machine for decades and there were customers who, no matter what brand they bought, would need new machines every couple of years. The difference was in the customers, not the machines.

Sandtree

EssexExile said:
The difference was in the customers, not the machines.

Given you are talking about repairs... presumably you are implying user’s causing additional wear through their method of use/maintenance? Or are you also considering upgradeitus?

With the risk of sounding off, in addition to those that must have the latest and greatest there are also those that don’t realise just how poor their current items are performing compared to something new because performance tends to decline slowly over time and so people don’t notice it so much.  I’ve encountered it several times with our kitchen knives when I’ve gone round to someone’s to help them cook and so brought my own knives and their “great” 15 year old knife is tried in comparison to ours and suddenly doesnt seem so great... similarly lent our vac to a neighbour after theirs died “suddenly” and they said they were ashamed at how much more it picked up but before theirs died they thought it was still doing fine.

Dishwashers obviously a bit harder to compare as you dont take them round places too often but some people do hang on to things too long as well as others who throw away perfectly good machines simply because its not new enough.

Biggus_Dickus

EssexExile said:

Biggus_Dickus said:

DCFC79 said:

Internal light - dont see the point in having one really but the kitchen is light enough anyway.
Wifi - dont see the point, the 1 I use has a time on it and when its done its either 000 or its blank as it turns itself off after so many minutes.
Noise level is great, its quiet.
Its a Bosch which also replaced a Bosch which was so great, lasted for nearly 20 years, only issue which meant we had to replace it were the baskets had started to disintegrate and the cost of the replacements were expensive.

What I'd look for in a dishwasher is, electric usage,  Im liking the option to move the top basket down to accommodate a dish or you can move it up to let you put say taller items in.
Brand and price are important so Id consider a Bosch and a couple of other makes, the ones I saw other day were either £399 or £429 from either John Lewis or Ao.com, Im limited as Im looking for a freestanding slimline dishwasher.

My present dishwasher is a fully integrated Bosch that was fitted 14 months ago when I had my kitchen modernised.

The cutlery basket has already disintegrated to the extent that spoons etc can drop right through. I’ve just bought a replacement basket off eBay...it can’t be any worse than the original surely!

My previous machine was a freestanding Bosch but that only lasted just over 2 years! Prior to that I had a Siemens (same company) and it fared better than the Bosch but it certainly wasn’t a star performer when it came to longevity.

Things ain’t what they used to be!

When I used to repair these things for a living there were customers who kept the same machine for decades and there were customers who, no matter what brand they bought, would need new machines every couple of years. The difference was in the customers, not the machines.

Fair do's....Purely from my own personal experience I would say that the period of time between  the dishwashers  initial use and  it needing significant repair has certainly decreased over recent decades.

Whether one chooses to scrap the machine or have it repaired has no bearing on that initial reliability phase.

Just to repeat,...the above is based solely on my 35 years experience of dishwashers as a domestic user;...I’m sure others have had a far more positive ‘dishwasher longevity’ experience than I.

That being said, a dishwasher is still top of the pops when it comes to domestic appliances as far as I’m concerned. I wouldn’t be without one.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Biggus_Dickus

Sandtree said:

EssexExile said:
The difference was in the customers, not the machines.

Given you are talking about repairs... presumably you are implying user’s causing additional wear through their method of use/maintenance? Or are you also considering upgradeitus?

With the risk of sounding off, in addition to those that must have the latest and greatest there are also those that don’t realise just how poor their current items are performing compared to something new because performance tends to decline slowly over time and so people don’t notice it so much.  I’ve encountered it several times with our kitchen knives when I’ve gone round to someone’s to help them cook and so brought my own knives and their “great” 15 year old knife is tried in comparison to ours and suddenly doesnt seem so great... similarly lent our vac to a neighbour after theirs died “suddenly” and they said they were ashamed at how much more it picked up but before theirs died they thought it was still doing fine.

Dishwashers obviously a bit harder to compare as you dont take them round places too often but some people do hang on to things too long as well as others who throw away perfectly good machines simply because its not new enough.

Thanks for that ;...a forum LOL is a shrinking commodity these days.

grumpycrab

EssexExile said:

I have a fairly new Bosch, it's almost silent, it has a cutlery tray at the top which is brilliant. 

Sorry for jumping in here, we've got a 6 month old Bosch and cutlery tray is useless.  Leaves water marks on knives (especially where hilt connects to blade); we're using the Diamond Standard cleaner.  Also, drying is pretty non-existant for bases of cups/mugs.  It's quiet enough though :-)

Biggus_Dickus

grumpycrab said:

EssexExile said:

I have a fairly new Bosch, it's almost silent, it has a cutlery tray at the top which is brilliant. 

Sorry for jumping in here, we've got a 6 month old Bosch and cutlery tray is useless.  Leaves water marks on knives (especially where hilt connects to blade); we're using the Diamond Standard cleaner.  Also, drying is pretty non-existant for bases of cups/mugs.  It's quiet enough though :-)

I’ve never had a cutlery ‘tray’ but is your ‘water hardness’ setting correct?,...and salt level.