ESA Support Group, Work & questions.

bery_451

Okay I am just after clarification on the the DWP's PW1 form that is there 2 types of permitted work? 

KatrinaWaves

poppy12345 said:

Questions...

When claiming ESA you can do permitted work, you must work less than 16 hours per week and not earn anymore than £140 per week after deductions. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/employment-and-support-allowance-permitted-work-form/permitted-work-factsheet

Did you read the factsheet Poppy provided you with, which I have quoted again above? Which specific part of the factsheet do you not understand?

calcotti

bery_451 said:

Okay I am just after clarification on the the DWP's PW1 form that is there 2 types of permitted work? 

Yes there are but the distinction is largely irrelevant. Supported work is very rare. 

bery_451

KatrinaWaves said:

poppy12345 said:

Questions...

When claiming ESA you can do permitted work, you must work less than 16 hours per week and not earn anymore than £140 per week after deductions. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/employment-and-support-allowance-permitted-work-form/permitted-work-factsheet

Did you read the factsheet Poppy provided you with, which I have quoted again above? Which specific part of the factsheet do you not understand?

I have read it yes including the DWP's PW1 form and I quote from this form that you can verify yourself:
"By supported permitted work we mean work that is supervised by someone because you have a disability, illness or health condition."

So this concludes there's 2 types or permitted work in the PW1 form:
- Supported permitted work
- Non supported permitted work
There's a clear night and day difference between the 2 above.

Reading the DWP quotation above, support permitted work indicates the claimant has a disability, illness or health condition however the form allows non supported permitted work that indicates the opposite said above of the claimant which may result and trigger a reassessment  which may result in claimant benefit being loss. 

The question is if DWP allows non supported permitted work for ESA support group claimants and the claimants get punished for doing so at the end then how is it the claimant's fault?

Do you understand the confusion here? Its like the lockdown rules which were confusing.

bery_451

calcotti said:

bery_451 said:

Okay I am just after clarification on the the DWP's PW1 form that is there 2 types of permitted work? 

Yes there are but the distinction is largely irrelevant. Supported work is very rare. 

Okay you say supported permitted work is rare because the infrastructure is not fully there for it yet or its expensive for the government DWP to run or why its rare?

Spoonie_Turtle

bery_451 said:

KatrinaWaves said:

poppy12345 said:

Questions...

When claiming ESA you can do permitted work, you must work less than 16 hours per week and not earn anymore than £140 per week after deductions. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/employment-and-support-allowance-permitted-work-form/permitted-work-factsheet

Did you read the factsheet Poppy provided you with, which I have quoted again above? Which specific part of the factsheet do you not understand?

I have read it yes including the DWP's PW1 form and I quote from this form that you can verify yourself:
"By supported permitted work we mean work that is supervised by someone because you have a disability, illness or health condition."

So this concludes there's 2 types or permitted work in the PW1 form:
- Supported permitted work
- Non supported permitted work
There's a clear night and day difference between the 2 above.

Reading the DWP quotation above, support permitted work indicates the claimant has a disability, illness or health condition however the form allows non supported permitted work that indicates the opposite said above of the claimant which may result and trigger a reassessment  which may result in claimant benefit being loss. 

The question is if DWP allows non supported permitted work for ESA support group claimants and the claimants get punished for doing so at the end then how is it the claimant's fault?

Do you understand the confusion here? Its like the lockdown rules which were confusing.

How is that the opposite? Who said it wasn't allowed? Who said they get punished?! Who said that supported permitted work wouldn't trigger a reassessment?

The rules are the same for any permitted work, just FYI. Edit: I was wrong, they're not quite the same - see below.

If it's supported, DWP would probably be able to check with the support worker or the entity providing the support worker, as well as or instead of the employer. If it's not supported and they want to verify anything, they would only be able to check with the employer.

If you really want to know or are genuinely confused, I'm sure Google will provide some clarification.

Edit: first result of a Google search, quite clearly explained I'd have thought:
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Supported permitted work

This is work where you have a supervisor from:

• a public body or local authority
• a voluntary or community group which provides or finds work for disabled people

It can also be work which is part of a treatment programme.

Supported permitted work has no restriction on the hours you work. It can be for an unlimited period. You can earn up to £140 a week after tax and National Insurance deductions without affecting your benefit, if you are getting ESA or National Insurance credits because of incapacity for work.

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That's from https://www.scope.org.uk/advice-and-support/permitted-work?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=CPC&utm_campaign=self_ppc&utm_content=permitted_work&gclid=CjwKCAiA17P9BRB2EiwAMvwNyE9SnuCvAeM7rCcgIM-AWcA2mCvMkNM0oM76sGI-vZQn6kXhZS4c7RoCXroQAvD_BwE which, I repeat, is the very first result from a very quick Google search.

calcotti

bery_451 said:

calcotti said:

bery_451 said:

Okay I am just after clarification on the the DWP's PW1 form that is there 2 types of permitted work? 

Yes there are but the distinction is largely irrelevant. Supported work is very rare. 

Okay you say supported permitted work is rare because the infrastructure is not fully there for it yet or its expensive for the government DWP to run or why its rare?

I say it’s rare because I’ve never come across it and most people would not need it. The rules for permitted work that was not supported and permitted work was supported used to be different but the difference has been removed. 

I’m out now because there seems no end to your questions and they don’t seem to be going’ anywhere or be related to an actual support enquiry.

poppy12345

poppy12345 said:

Just to remind you again. This forum is for helping people with benefit claims, it's not a discussion forum. All you're doing is twisting everything people have already told you.

Just quoting my previous comment here, which still stands..

KatrinaWaves

How you read that fact sheet and got to a ‘night and day’ difference between the two permitted works and the criteria being ‘opposite’ I truly have no idea. It indicates a real lack of reading comprehension but from your posts that doesn’t seem to be a generalised issue... 

I’d say book an appointment with a benefits advisor but to be honest I think you’d take up far too much of their time... 

elsien

bery_451 said:

KatrinaWaves said:

poppy12345 said:

Questions...

When claiming ESA you can do permitted work, you must work less than 16 hours per week and not earn anymore than £140 per week after deductions. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/employment-and-support-allowance-permitted-work-form/permitted-work-factsheet

Did you read the factsheet Poppy provided you with, which I have quoted again above? Which specific part of the factsheet do you not understand?

I have read it yes including the DWP's PW1 form and I quote from this form that you can verify yourself:
"By supported permitted work we mean work that is supervised by someone because you have a disability, illness or health condition."

So this concludes there's 2 types or permitted work in the PW1 form:
- Supported permitted work
- Non supported permitted work
There's a clear night and day difference between the 2 above.

Reading the DWP quotation above, support permitted work indicates the claimant has a disability, illness or health condition however the form allows non supported permitted work that indicates the opposite said above of the claimant which may result and trigger a reassessment  which may result in claimant benefit being loss. 

The question is if DWP allows non supported permitted work for ESA support group claimants and the claimants get punished for doing so at the end then how is it the claimant's fault?

Do you understand the confusion here? Its like the lockdown rules which were confusing.

The claimant isn't being punished. The claimant is doing work which shows that they no longer need to be on ESA for the medical condition that they had previously needed support for. So they move on to other benefits which are now more appropriate to their improved health. 
However as I suspect you may also be deliberately misunderstanding I'm also now out.