ESA Support Group, Work & questions.

bery_451

Can the claimant work anywhere that is legal that is being paid the minimum wage but got to be max16 hours or less a week?
When applying for a part-time position at a company or going through the recruitment process is there any declarations the claimant must fill out or the employer must do so ESA doesn't get affected? The claimant has to declare ESA health conditions on the job application form right otherwise how does it work? Can a employer refuse you a job for having medical conditions.
What's the max savings a single claimant can have and when the wages help towards savings and take it over the savings allowance then what will happen? Does the claimant has to spend savings to keep it under allowance? When they say savings do they mean money in a savings account paying interest or normal current account? 
For example can the claimant work part time at McDonalds or Amazon? These 2 companies will never go bankrupt from the looks of it that equals good job security but shtty pay.

poppy12345

bery_451 said:

Can the claimant work anywhere that is legal that is being paid the minimum wage but got to be max16 hours or less a week?
When applying for a part-time position at a company or going through the recruitment process is there any declarations the claimant must fill out or the employer must do so ESA doesn't get affected? The claimant has to declare ESA health conditions on the job application form right otherwise how does it work? Can a employer refuse you a job for having medical conditions.
What's the max savings a single claimant can have and when the wages help towards savings and take it over the savings allowance then what will happen? Does the claimant has to spend savings to keep it under allowance? When they say savings do they mean money in a savings account paying interest or normal current account? 
For example can the claimant work part time at McDonalds or Amazon? These 2 companies will never go bankrupt from the looks of it that equals good job security but shtty pay.

There's a lot of questions in there and i'll do my best to answer them.

When claiming ESA you can do permitted work, you must work less than 16 hours per week and not earn anymore than £140 per week after deductions. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/employment-and-support-allowance-permitted-work-form/permitted-work-factsheet

You need to fill out a PW1 form for this and return it to DWP. Yes, you can work where ever you want. Although if the work you do contradicts the reasons why you're claiming ESA then you could be reassessed early and it could go against you when the decision is made.

There's no declaration to make when applying for jobs or when accepting a job.

Yes, you can declare your health condition but there's no law for this, you don't have to do this but it maybe in your best interests to do so.

When claiming means tested benefits the maximum savings you have is £16,000, this includes ALL of your savings, whether it's in a bank account, savings accounts, or at home.

calcotti

bery_451 said:

Can the claimant work anywhere that is legal that is being paid the minimum wage but got to be max16 hours or less a week?
When applying for a part-time position at a company or going through the recruitment process is there any declarations the claimant must fill out or the employer must do so ESA doesn't get affected? The claimant has to declare ESA health conditions on the job application form right otherwise how does it work? Can a employer refuse you a job for having medical conditions.
What's the max savings a single claimant can have and when the wages help towards savings and take it over the savings allowance then what will happen? Does the claimant has to spend savings to keep it under allowance? When they say savings do they mean money in a savings account paying interest or normal current account? 
For example can the claimant work part time at McDonalds or Amazon? These 2 companies will never go bankrupt from the looks of it that equals good job security but shtty pay.

You are referring to permitted work rules. You can work anywhere but it must be less than 16 hours per week and you must not earn more than £140/week.

You should complete a PW1 form to inform DWP about the work.

The regulations do not refer to savings, they refer to capital -this includes money in savings accounts and current account together with stocks and shares etc. if you are on income based ESA you cease to be entitled to it if your capital exceeds £16,000, capital over £6,000 will reduce the ESA payable. Contribution based ESA or new style EAsA are not affected by savings. Any income received that is not spent by the end of the period it is paid for becomes capital. 

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/employment-and-support-allowance/while-youre-getting-esa/working-while-getting-esa/
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/employment-and-support-allowance-permitted-work-form/permitted-work-factsheet

EDIT - posted at same time as poppy.

bery_451

poppy12345 said:

bery_451 said:

Can the claimant work anywhere that is legal that is being paid the minimum wage but got to be max16 hours or less a week?
When applying for a part-time position at a company or going through the recruitment process is there any declarations the claimant must fill out or the employer must do so ESA doesn't get affected? The claimant has to declare ESA health conditions on the job application form right otherwise how does it work? Can a employer refuse you a job for having medical conditions.
What's the max savings a single claimant can have and when the wages help towards savings and take it over the savings allowance then what will happen? Does the claimant has to spend savings to keep it under allowance? When they say savings do they mean money in a savings account paying interest or normal current account? 
For example can the claimant work part time at McDonalds or Amazon? These 2 companies will never go bankrupt from the looks of it that equals good job security but shtty pay.

There's a lot of questions in there and i'll do my best to answer them.

When claiming ESA you can do permitted work, you must work less than 16 hours per week and not earn anymore than £140 per week after deductions. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/employment-and-support-allowance-permitted-work-form/permitted-work-factsheet

You need to fill out a PW1 form for this and return it to DWP. Yes, you can work where ever you want. Although if the work you do contradicts the reasons why you're claiming ESA then you could be reassessed early and it could go against you when the decision is made.

There's no declaration to make when applying for jobs or when accepting a job.

Yes, you can declare your health condition but there's no law for this, you don't have to do this but it maybe in your best interests to do so.

When claiming means tested benefits the maximum savings you have is £16,000, this includes ALL of your savings, whether it's in a bank account, savings accounts, or at home.

Okay you saying theres a high probable risk of the claimant being reassessed early if the claimant undertakes a part-time job? If DWP believes it is contradictory then why do they allow ESA claimants to work part time then and instead ban work? Its confusing.

Isn't £16k capital savings for couples or single claimant? Is the law changing this threshold soon?

bery_451

calcotti said:

bery_451 said:

Can the claimant work anywhere that is legal that is being paid the minimum wage but got to be max16 hours or less a week?
When applying for a part-time position at a company or going through the recruitment process is there any declarations the claimant must fill out or the employer must do so ESA doesn't get affected? The claimant has to declare ESA health conditions on the job application form right otherwise how does it work? Can a employer refuse you a job for having medical conditions.
What's the max savings a single claimant can have and when the wages help towards savings and take it over the savings allowance then what will happen? Does the claimant has to spend savings to keep it under allowance? When they say savings do they mean money in a savings account paying interest or normal current account? 
For example can the claimant work part time at McDonalds or Amazon? These 2 companies will never go bankrupt from the looks of it that equals good job security but shtty pay.

You are referring to permitted work rules. You can work anywhere but it must be less than 16 hours per week and you must not earn more than £140/week.

You should complete a PW1 form to inform DWP about the work.

The regulations do not refer to savings, they refer to capital -this includes money in savings accounts and current account together with stocks and shares etc. if you are on income based ESA you cease to be entitled to it if your capital exceeds £16,000, capital over £6,000 will reduce the ESA payable. Contribution based ESA or new style EAsA are not affected by savings. Any income received that is not spent by the end of the period it is paid for becomes capital. 

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/employment-and-support-allowance/while-youre-getting-esa/working-while-getting-esa/
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/employment-and-support-allowance-permitted-work-form/permitted-work-factsheet

EDIT - posted at same time as poppy.

Okay regarding stocks/shares, this asset isnt stable like cash and the value of stocks and shares is very volatile, for example one day your stocks and shares portfolio is worth £1k and the next day it could be worth £1million then the next day it crash all the way back to £1k again if the claimant hasnt sold his/her shares.  So how does DWP value this asset before making judgement against the claimant?

Permitted work means any work allowed as long its max 16hrs per week?
If cash capital is over £6k then how much ESA is reduced by what percentages depending on over capital?

What is contribution based benefit?
New style ESA comes under Universal Credit?

KatrinaWaves

Are you asking about a specific situation as your questions are all over the place?

no stocks go from 1k to 1million and back again in the timeframe you are talking about. 

ESA is about having limited capability for work, which could be a hundred things which mean you cannot do any job but can still do some jobs. It does not mean you cannot work. It’s not confusing. You seem confused about a lot of things to be honest which makes it seem that you are not claiming ESA... why would they ban people from working? But if you say ‘I need to be on ESA as I can’t walk very far without being out of breath’ and then take a job as a postman, they might think that your walking issue isn’t as bad as you said.

£16k is per claim, single or couple. We are not psychic, are you? It might change, it might not.

Half the rest I haven’t answered can be found with a simple google. If you had a particular situation then people can offer help but your posts seem to be ‘explain everything to me about this’ when you don’t know anything and therefore probably aren’t in the situation... 

poppy12345

bery_451 said:

poppy12345 said:

bery_451 said:

Can the claimant work anywhere that is legal that is being paid the minimum wage but got to be max16 hours or less a week?
When applying for a part-time position at a company or going through the recruitment process is there any declarations the claimant must fill out or the employer must do so ESA doesn't get affected? The claimant has to declare ESA health conditions on the job application form right otherwise how does it work? Can a employer refuse you a job for having medical conditions.
What's the max savings a single claimant can have and when the wages help towards savings and take it over the savings allowance then what will happen? Does the claimant has to spend savings to keep it under allowance? When they say savings do they mean money in a savings account paying interest or normal current account? 
For example can the claimant work part time at McDonalds or Amazon? These 2 companies will never go bankrupt from the looks of it that equals good job security but shtty pay.

There's a lot of questions in there and i'll do my best to answer them.

When claiming ESA you can do permitted work, you must work less than 16 hours per week and not earn anymore than £140 per week after deductions. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/employment-and-support-allowance-permitted-work-form/permitted-work-factsheet

You need to fill out a PW1 form for this and return it to DWP. Yes, you can work where ever you want. Although if the work you do contradicts the reasons why you're claiming ESA then you could be reassessed early and it could go against you when the decision is made.

There's no declaration to make when applying for jobs or when accepting a job.

Yes, you can declare your health condition but there's no law for this, you don't have to do this but it maybe in your best interests to do so.

When claiming means tested benefits the maximum savings you have is £16,000, this includes ALL of your savings, whether it's in a bank account, savings accounts, or at home.

Okay you saying theres a high probable risk of the claimant being reassessed early if the claimant undertakes a part-time job? If DWP believes it is contradictory then why do they allow ESA claimants to work part time then and instead ban work? Its confusing.

Isn't £16k capital savings for couples or single claimant? Is the law changing this threshold soon?

No, that's not what i said. I said IF the work you do conrtradicts the reasons why you're claiming.

The savings/capital rules are for single people or couples. Doesn't matter what you are the rules are the same, for working age people.

poppy12345

bery_451 said:

calcotti said:

bery_451 said:

Can the claimant work anywhere that is legal that is being paid the minimum wage but got to be max16 hours or less a week?
When applying for a part-time position at a company or going through the recruitment process is there any declarations the claimant must fill out or the employer must do so ESA doesn't get affected? The claimant has to declare ESA health conditions on the job application form right otherwise how does it work? Can a employer refuse you a job for having medical conditions.
What's the max savings a single claimant can have and when the wages help towards savings and take it over the savings allowance then what will happen? Does the claimant has to spend savings to keep it under allowance? When they say savings do they mean money in a savings account paying interest or normal current account? 
For example can the claimant work part time at McDonalds or Amazon? These 2 companies will never go bankrupt from the looks of it that equals good job security but shtty pay.

You are referring to permitted work rules. You can work anywhere but it must be less than 16 hours per week and you must not earn more than £140/week.

You should complete a PW1 form to inform DWP about the work.

The regulations do not refer to savings, they refer to capital -this includes money in savings accounts and current account together with stocks and shares etc. if you are on income based ESA you cease to be entitled to it if your capital exceeds £16,000, capital over £6,000 will reduce the ESA payable. Contribution based ESA or new style EAsA are not affected by savings. Any income received that is not spent by the end of the period it is paid for becomes capital. 

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/employment-and-support-allowance/while-youre-getting-esa/working-while-getting-esa/
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/employment-and-support-allowance-permitted-work-form/permitted-work-factsheet

EDIT - posted at same time as poppy.

Permitted work means any work allowed as long its max 16hrs per week?
If cash capital is over £6k then how much ESA is reduced by what percentages depending on over capital?

What is contribution based benefit?
New style ESA comes under Universal Credit?

Permitted work is less than 16 hours, not max 16 hours, if you work 16 hours then your ESA will stop. Please read the link i posted above.

Savings, for every £250 (or part there of) over £6,000 your ESA will be reduced by £1 per week.

Contributions based/New style ESA is paid to those who have worked and paid NI contributions in the 2 years before their ESA started, so it's not means tested.

No, NsESA is not part of UC, it's a completely different benefit.

Is there any reason for all these questions because you are asking rather a lot.

bery_451

poppy12345 said:

bery_451 said:

poppy12345 said:

bery_451 said:

Can the claimant work anywhere that is legal that is being paid the minimum wage but got to be max16 hours or less a week?
When applying for a part-time position at a company or going through the recruitment process is there any declarations the claimant must fill out or the employer must do so ESA doesn't get affected? The claimant has to declare ESA health conditions on the job application form right otherwise how does it work? Can a employer refuse you a job for having medical conditions.
What's the max savings a single claimant can have and when the wages help towards savings and take it over the savings allowance then what will happen? Does the claimant has to spend savings to keep it under allowance? When they say savings do they mean money in a savings account paying interest or normal current account? 
For example can the claimant work part time at McDonalds or Amazon? These 2 companies will never go bankrupt from the looks of it that equals good job security but shtty pay.

There's a lot of questions in there and i'll do my best to answer them.

When claiming ESA you can do permitted work, you must work less than 16 hours per week and not earn anymore than £140 per week after deductions. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/employment-and-support-allowance-permitted-work-form/permitted-work-factsheet

You need to fill out a PW1 form for this and return it to DWP. Yes, you can work where ever you want. Although if the work you do contradicts the reasons why you're claiming ESA then you could be reassessed early and it could go against you when the decision is made.

There's no declaration to make when applying for jobs or when accepting a job.

Yes, you can declare your health condition but there's no law for this, you don't have to do this but it maybe in your best interests to do so.

When claiming means tested benefits the maximum savings you have is £16,000, this includes ALL of your savings, whether it's in a bank account, savings accounts, or at home.

Okay you saying theres a high probable risk of the claimant being reassessed early if the claimant undertakes a part-time job? If DWP believes it is contradictory then why do they allow ESA claimants to work part time then and instead ban work? Its confusing.

Isn't £16k capital savings for couples or single claimant? Is the law changing this threshold soon?

No, that's not what i said. I said IF the work you do conrtradicts the reasons why you're claiming.

The savings/capital rules are for single people or couples. Doesn't matter what you are the rules are the same, for working age people.

I'm confused because I thought any work is allowed for the claimant as long its 15hrs max a week according to this thread but now you saying not any work, only work that doesn't contradict your health condition like that postman example you given.

I gave example of 2 companies Mcdonalds or Amazon and within both of these companies there's dozens different type of job roles each ranging from minimum wage physical work to higher pay less physical like managerial office work.
The question is how does the DWP know what role you doing in a company before passing their judgement to the claimant? What if a company that adopts a disability equal opportunity policy where theres is no discrimination against disabled/health related employees where they have rights to disability aids and tools in the workplace or these employees are entitled to more short-term breaks during a shift. Does the DWP know all this and take this into consideration before passing judgement onto the claimant?

ESA stands for Employment & Support Allowance so fundamentally its a employment benefit like JSA and hence there shouldn't be any barriers for a claimant going into employment as long its 15hrs a week max. ESA benefit is not enough nowadays and is always behind inflation.

Lockdowns causes severe mental health issues for employees who are forced to work from home because not going out, having no outside home work routine and being in self isolation is mentally damaging. Hence I hear some ESA claimants like to work part-time to avoid mental health problems or reduce further damage of mental health.

We all know the older we get the less physically fitter we get so why DWP carry reassessments as it doesn't make sense as there's no cures for the most common disability/health conditions in the UK and over time makes it worse not better. There's no magic super pill that makes you younger or cures all health problems or expensive surgeries to fix joints/limbs not available on the NHS. Maybe for the rich but then again the rich don't claim benefits.

Okay your conclusion is the claimant is at risk losing the benefit even though its 15hrs max a week part-time work because DWP sees work as 'physical' and instead the claimant should be like a mummy covered in bandages stuck in bed 247. 

What if the claimant works part-time max 15hrs a week and the DWP commits negligence by stopping the benefit because they couldn't be bothered to check the job role and the equal disability policies at the workplace? Does this mean endless appeals and cases the claimant has to go through?

poppy12345

Not sure why you're so confused. If a person is claiming ESA and in the Support Group for mobilising and they are working in a supermarket walking around all day then obviously this is a contradiction.

Yes it maybe employment and support allowance but this certainly doesn't mean a person can continue to claim the ESA while working, if that work contradicts the reasons for their claim. Makes perfect sense to me.

I'm not sure what your reason is for all these questions but where exactly is all this leading to?

calcotti

poppy12345 said: I'm not sure what your reason is for all these questions but where exactly is all this leading to?

It seems to be turning into a discussion thread about benefits policy.