Strictest travel restrictions yet implemented

Butts

Thrugelmir said:

Butts said:

Under the new regime could you still fly from Edinburgh to Gibraltar via London Heathrow , returning the same way and not have to self-isolate ? 

What's stopping you then?  As an adult you have no need to seek approval. 

I was just wondering if it was technically possible staying within the rules.
Although Sturgeon has advised against travel to England , it's advisory not mandatory.
If your journey started in Scotland and you went by Air to Heathrow merely transiting there en-route to Gibraltar would this bypass the English ban as you started in Scotland. ? 
Interesting conundrum ?

Oh and I have been before and am aware the runway crosses the main road 

silvercar

Butts said:

Thrugelmir said:

Butts said:

Under the new regime could you still fly from Edinburgh to Gibraltar via London Heathrow , returning the same way and not have to self-isolate ? 

What's stopping you then?  As an adult you have no need to seek approval. 

I was just wondering if it was technically possible staying within the rules.
Although Sturgeon has advised against travel to England , it's advisory not mandatory.
If your journey started in Scotland and you went by Air to Heathrow merely transiting there en-route to Gibraltar would this bypass the English ban as you started in Scotland. ? 
Interesting conundrum ?

Oh and I have been before and am aware the runway crosses the main road 

Why do you think the rules are different if you transit by air, than say take the train to London and the Heathrow Express to the airport? 

You may feel you are less likely to get caught, but the rules remain the same.
It is the law that has been put in place for England that you are breaching, as well as the Scottish guidance.

Butts

silvercar said:

Butts said:

Thrugelmir said:

Butts said:

Under the new regime could you still fly from Edinburgh to Gibraltar via London Heathrow , returning the same way and not have to self-isolate ? 

What's stopping you then?  As an adult you have no need to seek approval. 

I was just wondering if it was technically possible staying within the rules.
Although Sturgeon has advised against travel to England , it's advisory not mandatory.
If your journey started in Scotland and you went by Air to Heathrow merely transiting there en-route to Gibraltar would this bypass the English ban as you started in Scotland. ? 
Interesting conundrum ?

Oh and I have been before and am aware the runway crosses the main road 

Why do you think the rules are different if you transit by air, than say take the train to London and the Heathrow Express to the airport? 

You may feel you are less likely to get caught, but the rules remain the same.
It is the law that has been put in place for England that you are breaching, as well as the Scottish guidance.

If you travel by Air you do not actually have to set foot in England outside of the restricted area air side at Heathrow Airport.
The key question is does the English Ban apply to Scottish Residents en-route to a non UK destination who transit there ?
As far as I am aware The Scottish Government at this stage has not mirrored the English decision to remove foreign travel in all but a few specific cases.

I have not booked the trip but am merely curious. 

silvercar

If you travel by Air you do not actually have to set foot in England outside of the restricted area air side at Heathrow Airport.
The key question is does the English Ban apply to Scottish Residents en-route to a non UK destination who transit there ?

Given that the restricted air side is in England, the laws apply. Just because there are some special rules for that area, allowing for example, people with no right of entry into the UK to transit, doesn't mean that the law doesn't apply.

Butts

silvercar said:

If you travel by Air you do not actually have to set foot in England outside of the restricted area air side at Heathrow Airport.
The key question is does the English Ban apply to Scottish Residents en-route to a non UK destination who transit there ?

Given that the restricted air side is in England, the laws apply. Just because there are some special rules for that area, allowing for example, people with no right of entry into the UK to transit, doesn't mean that the law doesn't apply.

But surely "The Law" applies in this case to English Residents being denied the right to travel abroad with certain notable exceptions. No such caveat is currently in place for Scottish Residents. If you look on the FCO Site it clearly delineates between "English Restrictions" and the rest of the UK.

In a sense I would be like a foreigner for the purposes of the English Travel Restrictions and not subject to them. This is a devolved matter and Scotland has not yet followed the English lead in banning foreign jaunts. There is no legal restriction on entering England from Scotland either.

Gibraltar remains on the FCO list of exempted Countries with regard to "all but essential travel" and is not subject to any quarantine when returning to England or Scotland.

silvercar

Butts said:

silvercar said:

If you travel by Air you do not actually have to set foot in England outside of the restricted area air side at Heathrow Airport.
The key question is does the English Ban apply to Scottish Residents en-route to a non UK destination who transit there ?

Given that the restricted air side is in England, the laws apply. Just because there are some special rules for that area, allowing for example, people with no right of entry into the UK to transit, doesn't mean that the law doesn't apply.

But surely "The Law" applies in this case to English Residents being denied the right to travel abroad with certain notable exceptions. No such caveat is currently in place for Scottish Residents. If you look on the FCO Site it clearly delineates between "English Restrictions" and the rest of the UK.

In a sense I would be like a foreigner for the purposes of the English Travel Restrictions and not subject to them. This is a devolved matter and Scotland has not yet followed the English lead in banning foreign jaunts. There is no legal restriction on entering England from Scotland either.

Gibraltar remains on the FCO list of exempted Countries with regard to "all but essential travel" and is not subject to any quarantine when returning to England or Scotland.

Scottish guidance says you should avoid unnecessary travel to England, it may not be law as it’s guidance, but it still exists.

epm-84

Butts said:

silvercar said:

If you travel by Air you do not actually have to set foot in England outside of the restricted area air side at Heathrow Airport.
The key question is does the English Ban apply to Scottish Residents en-route to a non UK destination who transit there ?

Given that the restricted air side is in England, the laws apply. Just because there are some special rules for that area, allowing for example, people with no right of entry into the UK to transit, doesn't mean that the law doesn't apply.

But surely "The Law" applies in this case to English Residents being denied the right to travel abroad with certain notable exceptions. No such caveat is currently in place for Scottish Residents. If you look on the FCO Site it clearly delineates between "English Restrictions" and the rest of the UK.

In a sense I would be like a foreigner for the purposes of the English Travel Restrictions and not subject to them. This is a devolved matter and Scotland has not yet followed the English lead in banning foreign jaunts. There is no legal restriction on entering England from Scotland either.

Gibraltar remains on the FCO list of exempted Countries with regard to "all but essential travel" and is not subject to any quarantine when returning to England or Scotland.

It's not straight forward.  The rules apply in England.  That means a Scottish student with a term time address in Manchester isn't exempt from the rules and someone from Scotland can't visit their relatives in England because the household mixing rules don't apply to them, the rules apply to Scottish people in England as well. 

However, the travel section is a bit different as it does mention the international travel ban applying specifically to people living in England.

The sensible thing to do would be to speak to your friends at British Airways, if you want to know.  

sheramber

Why not travel from Scotland to Gibraltar without going to Heathrow. Why complicate matters?
Why do you need to 'get round' the regulations?

epm-84

sheramber said:

Why not travel from Scotland to Gibraltar without going to Heathrow. Why complicate matters?
Why do you need to 'get round' the regulations?

@Butts has posted a number of posts saying he only books with BA Holidays due to their flexibility and refund speeds when things go wrong.  It doesn't look like there's any direct winter flights between Scotland and Gibraltar.

silvercar

epm-84 said:

sheramber said:

Why not travel from Scotland to Gibraltar without going to Heathrow. Why complicate matters?
Why do you need to 'get round' the regulations?

@Butts has posted a number of posts saying he only books with BA Holidays due to their flexibility and refund speeds when things go wrong.  It doesn't look like there's any direct winter flights between Scotland and Gibraltar.

BA have stopped flights to Gibraltar for the length of English Lockdown.