Strictest travel restrictions yet implemented

Aranyani

Butts said:

epm-84 said:

As of 4am today:

- All flights between the UK and Denmark, Faroe Islands & Greenland were suspended.
- Everyone who has returned from Denmark, Faroe Islands or Greenland in the past 14 days has been told to self-isolate, even those who returned before the Denmark travel corridor was removed.
- Anyone living with someone who has returned from Denmark, Faroe Islands or Greenland in the past 14 days also has to self-isolate.

None of the normal exceptions apply to the above so even airline crews and their families are now being forced to self-isolate.

Anyone trying to use any loopholes to go abroad (or to go abroad for pleasure from Scotland, Wales or NI) might want to take the above in to consideration.  There was no real warning of it happening and only a couple of weeks ago the government put Denmark back on the travel corridor list.

Pesky Mink have a lot to answer for, poor little critters are paying the price.
Looks like I am grounded for the rest of the year with Germany and Sweden joining the list as well recently.
My remaining trip to Venice in December has just been cancelled by BA.

More evidence to add to the overwhelming consensus that our exploitation of animals is harmful not just to them but to us. 

Thrugelmir

Yahoo_Mail said:

Thrugelmir said:

Yahoo_Mail said:

silvercar said:

Hopefully, everyone will see the seriousness of this and comply. Also it will be law within hours apparently, so no one can claim it’s only advisory.
first time I’ve seen a requirement for those in the same household as someone returning from abroad being obliged to isolate.

Nobody who contracts this strain is any worse off than someone contracting plain old-fashioned COVID so it's not serious in that regard.  

Surprised you aren't busy advising SAGE today rather than posting on here. Covid experts are in short supply. 

I'm sure they're perfectly capable of reading the reports out of Denmark showing those who've contracted it are no worse off than any other COVID patient.  But if they want to pay me a generous sum of money for regurgitating those reports, I'm more than happy to oblige.

There's no expert opinion on the mutation yet as it hasn't been studied. Denmark has considered it significant enough to lockdown Northern Denmark totally. The only way of controlling Covid in any form is to restrict transmission. That's basic common sense doesn't require any level of expertise. As has only been witnessed far too often. Some people simply don't care.  Tougher restrictions are the way forward. 

Yahoo_Mail

epm-84 said:

Yahoo_Mail said:

Thrugelmir said:

Yahoo_Mail said:

silvercar said:

Hopefully, everyone will see the seriousness of this and comply. Also it will be law within hours apparently, so no one can claim it’s only advisory.
first time I’ve seen a requirement for those in the same household as someone returning from abroad being obliged to isolate.

Nobody who contracts this strain is any worse off than someone contracting plain old-fashioned COVID so it's not serious in that regard.  

Surprised you aren't busy advising SAGE today rather than posting on here. Covid experts are in short supply. 

I'm sure they're perfectly capable of reading the reports out of Denmark showing those who've contracted it are no worse off than any other COVID patient.  But if they want to pay me a generous sum of money for regurgitating those reports, I'm more than happy to oblige.

I'm sure the biggest concern to governments worldwide is whether a vaccine will mean next year we can go back to normal, or whether it'll mean there's another variant circulating which the vaccine doesn't protect against, meaning we'll have another 18 months of COVID related restrictions even after most people have been given a vaccine.

Note that there are criminal charges you could be faced with if you take that hypothetical job paying a lot of money and then provide incorrect medical advice to the government which directly causes the death or serious illness of British citizens. 

Of course it is but perhaps i'll can try to explain my initial response.

There is a certain group of people who seems to think that COVID is the end of human civilization as we know it and if they go outside their front door they'll be dead in two weeks.  OK, that's perhaps being a little OTT but I think you understand where I'm coming from.  I'm worried that these people will hear about this as being "serious" and demand even more absurd restrictions on daily life, under the incorrect assumption that this is serious because it has a higher mortality rate.  That does not appear to be the case at all.

It does, however, appear that the specific protein spike the existing vaccines were aimed at is different in this strain so they may not protect against this.  I do understand taking the actions that are currently being taken with this outbreak and if it works, brilliant.  However, I suspect that this was inevitable and will happen again in the not too distant future, perhaps several times.  And with the fairly high infection rate of COVID it may be out in the general population before anyone notices it (and that is quite possibly the case in Denmark already). I do not believe, unfortunately, that we can produce a vaccine fast enough, or produce enough does of that vaccine or administer it fast enough, to wipe out COVID before another strain pops up and we're back to square one.

I suspect we'll be playing whack-a-mole with COVID strains until the end of time, much like we do with flu, unless we can come up with a much less specific form of vaccine.  And unfortunately, I don't see that happening any time soon.

So serious in some respects, but largely inevitable I suspect.

ToxicWomble

Aranyani said:

Butts said:

epm-84 said:

As of 4am today:

- All flights between the UK and Denmark, Faroe Islands & Greenland were suspended.
- Everyone who has returned from Denmark, Faroe Islands or Greenland in the past 14 days has been told to self-isolate, even those who returned before the Denmark travel corridor was removed.
- Anyone living with someone who has returned from Denmark, Faroe Islands or Greenland in the past 14 days also has to self-isolate.

None of the normal exceptions apply to the above so even airline crews and their families are now being forced to self-isolate.

Anyone trying to use any loopholes to go abroad (or to go abroad for pleasure from Scotland, Wales or NI) might want to take the above in to consideration.  There was no real warning of it happening and only a couple of weeks ago the government put Denmark back on the travel corridor list.

Pesky Mink have a lot to answer for, poor little critters are paying the price.
Looks like I am grounded for the rest of the year with Germany and Sweden joining the list as well recently.
My remaining trip to Venice in December has just been cancelled by BA.

More evidence to add to the overwhelming consensus that our exploitation of animals is harmful not just to them but to us. 

Yes but it tastes so nice

Aranyani

ToxicWomble said:

Aranyani said:

Butts said:

epm-84 said:

As of 4am today:

- All flights between the UK and Denmark, Faroe Islands & Greenland were suspended.
- Everyone who has returned from Denmark, Faroe Islands or Greenland in the past 14 days has been told to self-isolate, even those who returned before the Denmark travel corridor was removed.
- Anyone living with someone who has returned from Denmark, Faroe Islands or Greenland in the past 14 days also has to self-isolate.

None of the normal exceptions apply to the above so even airline crews and their families are now being forced to self-isolate.

Anyone trying to use any loopholes to go abroad (or to go abroad for pleasure from Scotland, Wales or NI) might want to take the above in to consideration.  There was no real warning of it happening and only a couple of weeks ago the government put Denmark back on the travel corridor list.

Pesky Mink have a lot to answer for, poor little critters are paying the price.
Looks like I am grounded for the rest of the year with Germany and Sweden joining the list as well recently.
My remaining trip to Venice in December has just been cancelled by BA.

More evidence to add to the overwhelming consensus that our exploitation of animals is harmful not just to them but to us. 

Yes but it tastes so nice

Mink?

Butts

Under the new regime could you still fly from Edinburgh to Gibraltar via London Heathrow , returning the same way and not have to self-isolate ? 

ToxicWomble

Aranyani said:

ToxicWomble said:

Aranyani said:

Butts said:

epm-84 said:

As of 4am today:

- All flights between the UK and Denmark, Faroe Islands & Greenland were suspended.
- Everyone who has returned from Denmark, Faroe Islands or Greenland in the past 14 days has been told to self-isolate, even those who returned before the Denmark travel corridor was removed.
- Anyone living with someone who has returned from Denmark, Faroe Islands or Greenland in the past 14 days also has to self-isolate.

None of the normal exceptions apply to the above so even airline crews and their families are now being forced to self-isolate.

Anyone trying to use any loopholes to go abroad (or to go abroad for pleasure from Scotland, Wales or NI) might want to take the above in to consideration.  There was no real warning of it happening and only a couple of weeks ago the government put Denmark back on the travel corridor list.

Pesky Mink have a lot to answer for, poor little critters are paying the price.
Looks like I am grounded for the rest of the year with Germany and Sweden joining the list as well recently.
My remaining trip to Venice in December has just been cancelled by BA.

More evidence to add to the overwhelming consensus that our exploitation of animals is harmful not just to them but to us. 

Yes but it tastes so nice

Mink?

You didnt specify a species - but happy to try

epm-84

Butts said:

Under the new regime could you still fly from Edinburgh to Gibraltar via London Heathrow , returning the same way and not have to self-isolate ? 

Your government advises against all non-essential travel to England and doesn't state an exclusion for a flight where you travel via an English airport.  (I notice they do have an exclusion for going to feed a horse!)

One thing to be careful about regarding Gibraltar is the airport is often listed on web pages with headings of things like 'ten most dangerous airports in the world.'  Of course both BA and Easyjet only use competent pilots so if you land or take off from that airport it'll be perfectly safe.  However, in extreme weather conditions the airport will be forced to close, while Malaga airport will likely remain open.  That means if you're unlucky your flight might be diverted to Malaga, which will obviously mean you've entered Spain and will have to self-isolate on return.

Thrugelmir

Butts said:

Under the new regime could you still fly from Edinburgh to Gibraltar via London Heathrow , returning the same way and not have to self-isolate ? 

What's stopping you then?  As an adult you have no need to seek approval. 

silvercar

Butts said:

Under the new regime could you still fly from Edinburgh to Gibraltar via London Heathrow , returning the same way and not have to self-isolate ? 

No. The first minister of Scotland has advised against travel to England.
English rules, however you arrived here, require you to have good reason to be outside your home, going on holiday isn’t a good reason.
If you did make the journey there and back without visiting Spain, you wouldn’t need to self isolate.