I cannot work from home I work for the NHS

Dr_Crypto

I don’t think it was all nurses it was those in particular roles. 

Certainly within the doctors rules of the pension scheme there was a provision for those in psychiatric jobs to retire at 55 because it was thought to be so demanding a role. I’ve no idea of the origins of that provision but I suspect they mirror the one described above given that mental hospitals used to be run (mostly) by local councils prior to the NHS. 

Andy_L

Aranyani said:

JamoLew said:

Aranyani said:

JamoLew said:

Andy_L said:

I suspect the other  AHP-type professions were excluded because they didn't exist when the scheme rules were written.

I suspect so, hence why the provision was removed not because other roles are any less demanding etc etc

I'd argue that dietetics, podiatry or speech and language therapy are less physically demanding than nursing or physio.  OT and ODP are not. 

Quite possibly so - although I don't have much knowledge of those particular fields 

Much better to just get rid than have the haves and have nots

I'd question how realistic it is to expect people to stay in front line nursing till they are 68.  That's why the police and fire service allow earlier retirement too, the physical demands and decades of shift work take a physical toll. 

How realistic it is it to expect people to stay in labouring/hod-carrying/shelf-stacking etc etc until 68?

Andy_L

Aranyani said:

JamoLew said:

Aranyani said:

JamoLew said:

Aranyani said:

JamoLew said:

Andy_L said:

I suspect the other  AHP-type professions were excluded because they didn't exist when the scheme rules were written.

I suspect so, hence why the provision was removed not because other roles are any less demanding etc etc

I'd argue that dietetics, podiatry or speech and language therapy are less physically demanding than nursing or physio.  OT and ODP are not. 

Quite possibly so - although I don't have much knowledge of those particular fields 

Much better to just get rid than have the haves and have nots

I'd question how realistic it is to expect people to stay in front line nursing till they are 68.  That's why the police and fire service allow earlier retirement too, the physical demands and decades of shift work take a physical toll. 

yes - but its not just Nursing that experiences decades of physical and mental demands.
Arguably, the physical nature of most hospital roles has been mostly eradicated with Lifting & Handling regulations etc

Its still a very physically demanding job, long days on their feet, regular night shifts with rapid turnarounds. 

I work till they drop! 

For which they get shift/unsocial hours premia and only have to do 3 shifts a week.

Aranyani

Andy_L said:

Aranyani said:

JamoLew said:

Aranyani said:

JamoLew said:

Andy_L said:

I suspect the other  AHP-type professions were excluded because they didn't exist when the scheme rules were written.

I suspect so, hence why the provision was removed not because other roles are any less demanding etc etc

I'd argue that dietetics, podiatry or speech and language therapy are less physically demanding than nursing or physio.  OT and ODP are not. 

Quite possibly so - although I don't have much knowledge of those particular fields 

Much better to just get rid than have the haves and have nots

I'd question how realistic it is to expect people to stay in front line nursing till they are 68.  That's why the police and fire service allow earlier retirement too, the physical demands and decades of shift work take a physical toll. 

How realistic it is it to expect people to stay in labouring/hod-carrying/shelf-stacking etc etc until 68?

Not very, hence my point about key worker/public service roles.

Although it’s important to remember that the consequences to the public of nurses who can’t do the job well anymore are a bit more serious. 

Aranyani

Andy_L said:

Aranyani said:

JamoLew said:

Aranyani said:

JamoLew said:

Aranyani said:

JamoLew said:

Andy_L said:

I suspect the other  AHP-type professions were excluded because they didn't exist when the scheme rules were written.

I suspect so, hence why the provision was removed not because other roles are any less demanding etc etc

I'd argue that dietetics, podiatry or speech and language therapy are less physically demanding than nursing or physio.  OT and ODP are not. 

Quite possibly so - although I don't have much knowledge of those particular fields 

Much better to just get rid than have the haves and have nots

I'd question how realistic it is to expect people to stay in front line nursing till they are 68.  That's why the police and fire service allow earlier retirement too, the physical demands and decades of shift work take a physical toll. 

yes - but its not just Nursing that experiences decades of physical and mental demands.
Arguably, the physical nature of most hospital roles has been mostly eradicated with Lifting & Handling regulations etc

Its still a very physically demanding job, long days on their feet, regular night shifts with rapid turnarounds. 

I work till they drop! 

For which they get shift/unsocial hours premia and only have to do 3 shifts a week.

That doesn’t mitigate the health impact. 

Andy_L

Aranyani said:

Andy_L said:

Aranyani said:

JamoLew said:

Aranyani said:

JamoLew said:

Aranyani said:

JamoLew said:

Andy_L said:

I suspect the other  AHP-type professions were excluded because they didn't exist when the scheme rules were written.

I suspect so, hence why the provision was removed not because other roles are any less demanding etc etc

I'd argue that dietetics, podiatry or speech and language therapy are less physically demanding than nursing or physio.  OT and ODP are not. 

Quite possibly so - although I don't have much knowledge of those particular fields 

Much better to just get rid than have the haves and have nots

I'd question how realistic it is to expect people to stay in front line nursing till they are 68.  That's why the police and fire service allow earlier retirement too, the physical demands and decades of shift work take a physical toll. 

yes - but its not just Nursing that experiences decades of physical and mental demands.
Arguably, the physical nature of most hospital roles has been mostly eradicated with Lifting & Handling regulations etc

Its still a very physically demanding job, long days on their feet, regular night shifts with rapid turnarounds. 

I work till they drop! 

For which they get shift/unsocial hours premia and only have to do 3 shifts a week.

That doesn’t mitigate the health impact. 

But does compensate 

Aranyani

Andy_L said:

Aranyani said:

Andy_L said:

Aranyani said:

JamoLew said:

Aranyani said:

JamoLew said:

Aranyani said:

JamoLew said:

Andy_L said:

I suspect the other  AHP-type professions were excluded because they didn't exist when the scheme rules were written.

I suspect so, hence why the provision was removed not because other roles are any less demanding etc etc

I'd argue that dietetics, podiatry or speech and language therapy are less physically demanding than nursing or physio.  OT and ODP are not. 

Quite possibly so - although I don't have much knowledge of those particular fields 

Much better to just get rid than have the haves and have nots

I'd question how realistic it is to expect people to stay in front line nursing till they are 68.  That's why the police and fire service allow earlier retirement too, the physical demands and decades of shift work take a physical toll. 

yes - but its not just Nursing that experiences decades of physical and mental demands.
Arguably, the physical nature of most hospital roles has been mostly eradicated with Lifting & Handling regulations etc

Its still a very physically demanding job, long days on their feet, regular night shifts with rapid turnarounds. 

I work till they drop! 

For which they get shift/unsocial hours premia and only have to do 3 shifts a week.

That doesn’t mitigate the health impact. 

But does compensate 

Arguable, can any amount of money really compensate for healthy years knocked off your life?  (A proven impact of long term shift work).

JamoLew

Andy_L said:

Aranyani said:

JamoLew said:

Aranyani said:

JamoLew said:

Andy_L said:

I suspect the other  AHP-type professions were excluded because they didn't exist when the scheme rules were written.

I suspect so, hence why the provision was removed not because other roles are any less demanding etc etc

I'd argue that dietetics, podiatry or speech and language therapy are less physically demanding than nursing or physio.  OT and ODP are not. 

Quite possibly so - although I don't have much knowledge of those particular fields 

Much better to just get rid than have the haves and have nots

I'd question how realistic it is to expect people to stay in front line nursing till they are 68.  That's why the police and fire service allow earlier retirement too, the physical demands and decades of shift work take a physical toll. 

How realistic it is it to expect people to stay in labouring/hod-carrying/shelf-stacking etc etc until 68?

Absolutely - the real quandary being that people are living longer, we are getting more effective at keeping people alive longer and its getting more expensive and controversially is probably not good value for money

Pension models were probably created with the expectation of people surviving maybe 10 years post retirement.
Nowadays 20-30 isn't uncommon
So in you example lets say the hod carrier becomes physically unable to do that after 55 -- what then

mags21

Lel101 said:

I cannot work from home so what tax relief will I get, shouldn’t I get the same as those working from home? I travel 50 miles a day and pay for parking I work 37.5 hours a week and continue to do so , what relief is there for me?

Deutsche Bank: Tax home workers 'to help pay those who cannot' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54876526

JamoLew

Interesting - it does state "if they choose to work from home" though

I most definitely wouldn't choose to - its been mandated by my trust

Granted some would though for a variety of reasons - i think most who choose to do so are making that choice due to some personal benefit/gain - whether its a 5% gain - I don't know, only the individuals can comment on that