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  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 152,070 Forumite
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    As I was not the driver I am not able to comment on the signage etc.. 
    Yes you can and you must, and the reason you know how sparse and full of wordy/small print the signs were, is from the SAR and your local knowledge.
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  • jayM_2
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    Hi Coupon-mad,
    Sorry for delayed response but I have been really unwell for the last few weeks.
    I don't know the area as I have never been there before however, I can comment on the wording based on the SAR so I can add to that but it will not be a lot of discussion. Are you able to support me on this as I am struggling a little with what I need to address as part of this defence. 
    Where you able to check my dropbox with my draft defence bundle? 
    Thanks,
    Jay 
  • nosferatu1001
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    You are adding a tiny amount of backfground 
    You only need to show us the few lines you had changed from the template.
  • jayM_2
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    edited 2 February 2021 at 7:27PM
    Please find attached my redacted draft copy of the skeleton argument as suggested by Coupon-mad.
    I still need to think about the signage argument, but any pointers would be great - Thank you.  
    Some notes to follow when reading the redacted skeleton argument below: 
    • Text in yellow is for me to finalise prior to issuance. 
    • Text in green could do with some pointers. There are two areas, and you can see point (d) contradicts the paragraph above, but I am unsure which way to tackle the "defence".
    • Text in cyan / crossed out is the changes from the defence template to create the skeleton argument as you suggested. 
    • Please check sections 1, 2 and 3. All other text which is not highlighted is as per the template therefore, no need to check it. 
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    a skeleton should be a page or two of bullets, in my opinion. Not dense meat, just the bones. 
  • Coupon-mad
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    Yes I think chop it to bullet points and remove defence points like denials.
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  • jayM_2
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    Thank you for your input. I have changed section 2 and 3 into shorter bullet points, see the revised wording below. 

    Do I keep the rest of the sections in the defence template as part of my skeleton argument or do I removed them? The suggestion before was to remove the statement of truth/signature and references to it being a 'defence' (and remove the start where it says 'it is admitted that/it is denied that'). 
    I have just amended section 2&3 from above and the rest is as part my post on 2nd Feb. any advice would be much appreciated. 
    Thank you!
  • Coupon-mad
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    The suggestion before was to remove the statement of truth/signature and references to it being a 'defence' (and remove the start where it says 'it is admitted that/it is denied that'). 
    You must do that.  This currently does NOT read like a skelly.
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  • nosferatu1001
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    It's a skeleton. It's a short summary of your key arguments and a debunk of theirs. 
  • jayM_2
    jayM_2 Posts: 50 Forumite
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    Thanks both. I am trying to find an example skeleton on this forum as I am struggling to shorten it beyond two pages. Are you aware of any examples to support me on this please? 
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