Too fat for my uniform

unforeseen

AskAsk said:

robatwork said:

AskAsk said:

sorry, but i am not having any strange man look at me breasts, let alone fit me bra!  i don't actually mind a male doctor or nurse doing so if they need to do this to treat me, but i think there are lots of women who are more than capable of fitting a bra, so i don't see why it has to be done by a man.

doctors and nurses are less available, and as someone had said, you could still ask for a female doctor or nurse if you so wish.

I realise this thread has veered off topic but as the OP has disappeared it's still an interesting employment subject.

So just to get this straight @AskAsk - I don't have personal knowledge what goes on in a bra fitting nor a gynae examination. But from what you say, you're happy to have a man examine your genitalia, but not fit your bra?

yes.  gynaecologists can often be male and so are doctors.  there is a need for medical staff to examine you and treat you and they are limited in number.

fitting a bra is hardly rocket science, so there are so many people that would be able to do the job, therefore i see no reason whatsoever for this job to be given to a man, when there are so many women that can fill the vacancy.  if such a job was available to men, i can imagine you would get a long queue of men applying for this job, particularly as something on the side 

That's a nice wide brush you are using to tar men with. 

[Deleted User]

unforeseen said:

AskAsk said:

robatwork said:

AskAsk said:

sorry, but i am not having any strange man look at me breasts, let alone fit me bra!  i don't actually mind a male doctor or nurse doing so if they need to do this to treat me, but i think there are lots of women who are more than capable of fitting a bra, so i don't see why it has to be done by a man.

doctors and nurses are less available, and as someone had said, you could still ask for a female doctor or nurse if you so wish.

I realise this thread has veered off topic but as the OP has disappeared it's still an interesting employment subject.

So just to get this straight @AskAsk - I don't have personal knowledge what goes on in a bra fitting nor a gynae examination. But from what you say, you're happy to have a man examine your genitalia, but not fit your bra?

yes.  gynaecologists can often be male and so are doctors.  there is a need for medical staff to examine you and treat you and they are limited in number.

fitting a bra is hardly rocket science, so there are so many people that would be able to do the job, therefore i see no reason whatsoever for this job to be given to a man, when there are so many women that can fill the vacancy.  if such a job was available to men, i can imagine you would get a long queue of men applying for this job, particularly as something on the side 

That's a nice wide brush you are using to tar men with. 

I don't think AskAsk was tarring all/most men with that brush - just pointing out, which I agree with, that there would be a long queue of applicants.

Takmon

AskAsk said:

Takmon said:

KatrinaWaves said:

Takmon said:

TBagpuss said:

Takmon said:

Masomnia said:

Silvertabby said:

dinglebert said:

HOWEVER - there is one interesting case of regulated discrimination - as recent as 2017 (and it may still be the case), it was impossible for a male/man to train and become a Mammographer. No other reason, you are a man, you can't do this, but it was covered by regulations that I cant be bothered to find/link but just use Google if you are interested.

I knew there was a reason why I wasn't getting an interview.

Some years ago, I did a course that included an element of employment law.  One example was a lingerie shop who advertised for a bra fitter, only women applicants accepted.  This was legal at the time (still is?) but a man made a fuss about 'discrimination'. 

 He didn't win - probably because when asked why he wanted this job, he replied 'because I love tits'.  

You can justify that sort of discrimination if you can show it's a 'proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim', and if it's a job like bra fitting that involves intimate contact with someone else you can show it's a legitimate aim to just want women for that role, as female customers will usually only want a woman doing it; same with mammography. Where the law would stand now with a trans woman would be interesting.

Back to the OP I think you just need to ask nicely for a larger size uniform and don't be embarrassed about it. Obesity can count as a disability under the Equality Act, depending on the circumstances, but I wouldn't go in guns blazing with that.

So using the same logic if customers only wanted white people doing it then do you think that would mean the employer could reject all applications from non white people?. I don't see how customer preference would trump discrimination law.

Because there is a specific exemption built into the law  which recognises that there are some situations where it is legitimate to discriminate. Other examples include permitting employers to recruit women as rape counsellors or  staff at women's refuges,  to recruit gay men for jobs counselling / supporting vulnerable young men facing discrimination due to their orientation, to recruit men from certain ethnic groups  for gang prevention work where young men of similar backgrounds are targeted and so on.

With regard to bra fittings, again, it's stronger then preference - in a bra fitting you are in a vulnerable position and given the prevalence of sexist behavior, and the extremely high proportion of women's who have experienced sexual assault and sexual harassment it is a proportionate response.  

Yes i agree that there are some situations where it is legitimate to discriminate, but in a bra fitting you are in a less vulnerable position that being intimately examined by a doctor but these kinds of examinations are carried out all the time by male doctors when the patient is female.

Medicine is extremely regulated and requires a heck of a lot of training. Bra fitting... not so much. Plus you can request a doctor or nurse if whatever gender if you prefer, it just may make your wait longer. 

The real problem i have is what is basically being said is that the majority of women don't want a male bra fitter because they believe they could be sexually assaulted. 
Which quite frankly it's awful to think that the majority of women's experiences would make them feel like that and awful that men who would never do anything like that are put into that group. 

Personally I think that the emphasis should be to ensure suitable checks are made on potential candidates instead of just blanket denying the position to men. 

sorry, but i am not having any strange man look at me breasts, let alone fit me bra!  i don't actually mind a male doctor or nurse doing so if they need to do this to treat me, but i think there are lots of women who are more than capable of fitting a bra, so i don't see why it has to be done by a man.

doctors and nurses are less available, and as someone had said, you could still ask for a female doctor or nurse if you so wish.

But it's fine for a strange woman to fit your bra? This is the kind of sexist attitude that i think is unacceptable. 

AskAsk said:

robatwork said:

AskAsk said:

sorry, but i am not having any strange man look at me breasts, let alone fit me bra!  i don't actually mind a male doctor or nurse doing so if they need to do this to treat me, but i think there are lots of women who are more than capable of fitting a bra, so i don't see why it has to be done by a man.

doctors and nurses are less available, and as someone had said, you could still ask for a female doctor or nurse if you so wish.

I realise this thread has veered off topic but as the OP has disappeared it's still an interesting employment subject.

So just to get this straight @AskAsk - I don't have personal knowledge what goes on in a bra fitting nor a gynae examination. But from what you say, you're happy to have a man examine your genitalia, but not fit your bra?

yes.  gynaecologists can often be male and so are doctors.  there is a need for medical staff to examine you and treat you and they are limited in number.

fitting a bra is hardly rocket science, so there are so many people that would be able to do the job, therefore i see no reason whatsoever for this job to be given to a man, when there are so many women that can fill the vacancy.  if such a job was available to men, i can imagine you would get a long queue of men applying for this job, particularly as something on the side 

I'm saying there is no reason to only limit this job to women, so it's fine for a lesbian woman to apply for this job because she is sexually attracted to breasts but it's not fine for a gay man to apply for the job who has no sexual interest in breasts at all?.

Imagine if this attitude was applied to other jobs, would you be happy being turned down for a job because there are plenty of men who can do it so no need for it to be given to a woman?. So taxi firms can refuse any female job applicants because they have a reputation for being "bad a driving" and that's fine because there are plenty of men who can do the job?.
Personally i would find that unacceptable but you seem to think sexism due to you stereotyping is perfectly fine?

theoretica

Bra fitting (unlike medical treatment or examination) has a fairly low need - easy for a woman to decide not get a bra fitting at all and go for trial and error.  If an imaginary shop had a male bra fitter how much bra fitting business would it get?  Would the bra fitter be genuinely redundant as a simple business decision because there was not enough call for bra fittings?

AskAsk

[Deleted User] said:

unforeseen said:

AskAsk said:

robatwork said:

AskAsk said:

sorry, but i am not having any strange man look at me breasts, let alone fit me bra!  i don't actually mind a male doctor or nurse doing so if they need to do this to treat me, but i think there are lots of women who are more than capable of fitting a bra, so i don't see why it has to be done by a man.

doctors and nurses are less available, and as someone had said, you could still ask for a female doctor or nurse if you so wish.

I realise this thread has veered off topic but as the OP has disappeared it's still an interesting employment subject.

So just to get this straight @AskAsk - I don't have personal knowledge what goes on in a bra fitting nor a gynae examination. But from what you say, you're happy to have a man examine your genitalia, but not fit your bra?

yes.  gynaecologists can often be male and so are doctors.  there is a need for medical staff to examine you and treat you and they are limited in number.

fitting a bra is hardly rocket science, so there are so many people that would be able to do the job, therefore i see no reason whatsoever for this job to be given to a man, when there are so many women that can fill the vacancy.  if such a job was available to men, i can imagine you would get a long queue of men applying for this job, particularly as something on the side 

That's a nice wide brush you are using to tar men with. 

I don't think AskAsk was tarring all/most men with that brush - just pointing out, which I agree with, that there would be a long queue of applicants.

lol.  from the sort of men i come across, i know enough men to line up a long queue for this job, and they would offer to do it for free 

if this job was advertised to men, it would attract these sort of men to apply.

fred246

Seems crazy when 80 to 90% of women are wearing the wrong bra size to exclude half of the population from a career helping to correct the problem

AskAsk

Takmon said:

AskAsk said:

Takmon said:

KatrinaWaves said:

Takmon said:

TBagpuss said:

Takmon said:

Masomnia said:

Silvertabby said:

dinglebert said:

HOWEVER - there is one interesting case of regulated discrimination - as recent as 2017 (and it may still be the case), it was impossible for a male/man to train and become a Mammographer. No other reason, you are a man, you can't do this, but it was covered by regulations that I cant be bothered to find/link but just use Google if you are interested.

I knew there was a reason why I wasn't getting an interview.

Some years ago, I did a course that included an element of employment law.  One example was a lingerie shop who advertised for a bra fitter, only women applicants accepted.  This was legal at the time (still is?) but a man made a fuss about 'discrimination'. 

 He didn't win - probably because when asked why he wanted this job, he replied 'because I love tits'.  

You can justify that sort of discrimination if you can show it's a 'proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim', and if it's a job like bra fitting that involves intimate contact with someone else you can show it's a legitimate aim to just want women for that role, as female customers will usually only want a woman doing it; same with mammography. Where the law would stand now with a trans woman would be interesting.

Back to the OP I think you just need to ask nicely for a larger size uniform and don't be embarrassed about it. Obesity can count as a disability under the Equality Act, depending on the circumstances, but I wouldn't go in guns blazing with that.

So using the same logic if customers only wanted white people doing it then do you think that would mean the employer could reject all applications from non white people?. I don't see how customer preference would trump discrimination law.

Because there is a specific exemption built into the law  which recognises that there are some situations where it is legitimate to discriminate. Other examples include permitting employers to recruit women as rape counsellors or  staff at women's refuges,  to recruit gay men for jobs counselling / supporting vulnerable young men facing discrimination due to their orientation, to recruit men from certain ethnic groups  for gang prevention work where young men of similar backgrounds are targeted and so on.

With regard to bra fittings, again, it's stronger then preference - in a bra fitting you are in a vulnerable position and given the prevalence of sexist behavior, and the extremely high proportion of women's who have experienced sexual assault and sexual harassment it is a proportionate response.  

Yes i agree that there are some situations where it is legitimate to discriminate, but in a bra fitting you are in a less vulnerable position that being intimately examined by a doctor but these kinds of examinations are carried out all the time by male doctors when the patient is female.

Medicine is extremely regulated and requires a heck of a lot of training. Bra fitting... not so much. Plus you can request a doctor or nurse if whatever gender if you prefer, it just may make your wait longer. 

The real problem i have is what is basically being said is that the majority of women don't want a male bra fitter because they believe they could be sexually assaulted. 
Which quite frankly it's awful to think that the majority of women's experiences would make them feel like that and awful that men who would never do anything like that are put into that group. 

Personally I think that the emphasis should be to ensure suitable checks are made on potential candidates instead of just blanket denying the position to men. 

sorry, but i am not having any strange man look at me breasts, let alone fit me bra!  i don't actually mind a male doctor or nurse doing so if they need to do this to treat me, but i think there are lots of women who are more than capable of fitting a bra, so i don't see why it has to be done by a man.

doctors and nurses are less available, and as someone had said, you could still ask for a female doctor or nurse if you so wish.

But it's fine for a strange woman to fit your bra? This is the kind of sexist attitude that i think is unacceptable. 

AskAsk said:

robatwork said:

AskAsk said:

sorry, but i am not having any strange man look at me breasts, let alone fit me bra!  i don't actually mind a male doctor or nurse doing so if they need to do this to treat me, but i think there are lots of women who are more than capable of fitting a bra, so i don't see why it has to be done by a man.

doctors and nurses are less available, and as someone had said, you could still ask for a female doctor or nurse if you so wish.

I realise this thread has veered off topic but as the OP has disappeared it's still an interesting employment subject.

So just to get this straight @AskAsk - I don't have personal knowledge what goes on in a bra fitting nor a gynae examination. But from what you say, you're happy to have a man examine your genitalia, but not fit your bra?

yes.  gynaecologists can often be male and so are doctors.  there is a need for medical staff to examine you and treat you and they are limited in number.

fitting a bra is hardly rocket science, so there are so many people that would be able to do the job, therefore i see no reason whatsoever for this job to be given to a man, when there are so many women that can fill the vacancy.  if such a job was available to men, i can imagine you would get a long queue of men applying for this job, particularly as something on the side 

I'm saying there is no reason to only limit this job to women, so it's fine for a lesbian woman to apply for this job because she is sexually attracted to breasts but it's not fine for a gay man to apply for the job who has no sexual interest in breasts at all?.

Imagine if this attitude was applied to other jobs, would you be happy being turned down for a job because there are plenty of men who can do it so no need for it to be given to a woman?. So taxi firms can refuse any female job applicants because they have a reputation for being "bad a driving" and that's fine because there are plenty of men who can do the job?.
Personally i would find that unacceptable but you seem to think sexism due to you stereotyping is perfectly fine?

i assume you are a man.  if you are a woman, you would think differently.

Takmon

AskAsk said:

Takmon said:

AskAsk said:

Takmon said:

KatrinaWaves said:

Takmon said:

TBagpuss said:

Takmon said:

Masomnia said:

Silvertabby said:

dinglebert said:

HOWEVER - there is one interesting case of regulated discrimination - as recent as 2017 (and it may still be the case), it was impossible for a male/man to train and become a Mammographer. No other reason, you are a man, you can't do this, but it was covered by regulations that I cant be bothered to find/link but just use Google if you are interested.

I knew there was a reason why I wasn't getting an interview.

Some years ago, I did a course that included an element of employment law.  One example was a lingerie shop who advertised for a bra fitter, only women applicants accepted.  This was legal at the time (still is?) but a man made a fuss about 'discrimination'. 

 He didn't win - probably because when asked why he wanted this job, he replied 'because I love tits'.  

You can justify that sort of discrimination if you can show it's a 'proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim', and if it's a job like bra fitting that involves intimate contact with someone else you can show it's a legitimate aim to just want women for that role, as female customers will usually only want a woman doing it; same with mammography. Where the law would stand now with a trans woman would be interesting.

Back to the OP I think you just need to ask nicely for a larger size uniform and don't be embarrassed about it. Obesity can count as a disability under the Equality Act, depending on the circumstances, but I wouldn't go in guns blazing with that.

So using the same logic if customers only wanted white people doing it then do you think that would mean the employer could reject all applications from non white people?. I don't see how customer preference would trump discrimination law.

Because there is a specific exemption built into the law  which recognises that there are some situations where it is legitimate to discriminate. Other examples include permitting employers to recruit women as rape counsellors or  staff at women's refuges,  to recruit gay men for jobs counselling / supporting vulnerable young men facing discrimination due to their orientation, to recruit men from certain ethnic groups  for gang prevention work where young men of similar backgrounds are targeted and so on.

With regard to bra fittings, again, it's stronger then preference - in a bra fitting you are in a vulnerable position and given the prevalence of sexist behavior, and the extremely high proportion of women's who have experienced sexual assault and sexual harassment it is a proportionate response.  

Yes i agree that there are some situations where it is legitimate to discriminate, but in a bra fitting you are in a less vulnerable position that being intimately examined by a doctor but these kinds of examinations are carried out all the time by male doctors when the patient is female.

Medicine is extremely regulated and requires a heck of a lot of training. Bra fitting... not so much. Plus you can request a doctor or nurse if whatever gender if you prefer, it just may make your wait longer. 

The real problem i have is what is basically being said is that the majority of women don't want a male bra fitter because they believe they could be sexually assaulted. 
Which quite frankly it's awful to think that the majority of women's experiences would make them feel like that and awful that men who would never do anything like that are put into that group. 

Personally I think that the emphasis should be to ensure suitable checks are made on potential candidates instead of just blanket denying the position to men. 

sorry, but i am not having any strange man look at me breasts, let alone fit me bra!  i don't actually mind a male doctor or nurse doing so if they need to do this to treat me, but i think there are lots of women who are more than capable of fitting a bra, so i don't see why it has to be done by a man.

doctors and nurses are less available, and as someone had said, you could still ask for a female doctor or nurse if you so wish.

But it's fine for a strange woman to fit your bra? This is the kind of sexist attitude that i think is unacceptable. 

AskAsk said:

robatwork said:

AskAsk said:

sorry, but i am not having any strange man look at me breasts, let alone fit me bra!  i don't actually mind a male doctor or nurse doing so if they need to do this to treat me, but i think there are lots of women who are more than capable of fitting a bra, so i don't see why it has to be done by a man.

doctors and nurses are less available, and as someone had said, you could still ask for a female doctor or nurse if you so wish.

I realise this thread has veered off topic but as the OP has disappeared it's still an interesting employment subject.

So just to get this straight @AskAsk - I don't have personal knowledge what goes on in a bra fitting nor a gynae examination. But from what you say, you're happy to have a man examine your genitalia, but not fit your bra?

yes.  gynaecologists can often be male and so are doctors.  there is a need for medical staff to examine you and treat you and they are limited in number.

fitting a bra is hardly rocket science, so there are so many people that would be able to do the job, therefore i see no reason whatsoever for this job to be given to a man, when there are so many women that can fill the vacancy.  if such a job was available to men, i can imagine you would get a long queue of men applying for this job, particularly as something on the side 

I'm saying there is no reason to only limit this job to women, so it's fine for a lesbian woman to apply for this job because she is sexually attracted to breasts but it's not fine for a gay man to apply for the job who has no sexual interest in breasts at all?.

Imagine if this attitude was applied to other jobs, would you be happy being turned down for a job because there are plenty of men who can do it so no need for it to be given to a woman?. So taxi firms can refuse any female job applicants because they have a reputation for being "bad a driving" and that's fine because there are plenty of men who can do the job?.
Personally i would find that unacceptable but you seem to think sexism due to you stereotyping is perfectly fine?

i assume you are a man.  if you are a woman, you would think differently.

So it's fine for women to be sexist for no logical reason?

Not long ago black people were restricted from applying for certain jobs because white customers didn't want a black person serving them for no logical reason. Luckily attitudes like that are mostly a thing of the past but you wanting a woman to do this job just because the customers are women is definitely sexist which uses a similar logic to people who are racist. 

You also seem to be unable to explain why it's fine for a lesbian woman to do the job just to get a look at some breasts but it's not fine for a man to do it?

Manxman_in_exile

AskAsk said:

fitting a bra is hardly rocket science, so there are so many people that would be able to do the job, therefore i see no reason whatsoever for this job to be given to a man, when there are so many women that can fill the vacancy.

AskAsk said:

 but i think there are lots of women who are more than capable of fitting a bra, so i don't see why it has to be done by a man.

I must admit I don't understand this argument.  If you were to ask an employer why they employ a disproportionately large number of white people and a disproportionately small number of afro-caribbean and asian people, would it be a satisfactory answer for them to say:  "Well, I've got so many white applicants to choose from I don't even need to start considering anybody else"?

Manxman_in_exile

AskAsk said:

Takmon said:

AskAsk said:

Takmon said:

KatrinaWaves said:

Takmon said:

TBagpuss said:

Takmon said:

Masomnia said:

Silvertabby said:

dinglebert said:

HOWEVER - there is one interesting case of regulated discrimination - as recent as 2017 (and it may still be the case), it was impossible for a male/man to train and become a Mammographer. No other reason, you are a man, you can't do this, but it was covered by regulations that I cant be bothered to find/link but just use Google if you are interested.

I knew there was a reason why I wasn't getting an interview.

Some years ago, I did a course that included an element of employment law.  One example was a lingerie shop who advertised for a bra fitter, only women applicants accepted.  This was legal at the time (still is?) but a man made a fuss about 'discrimination'. 

 He didn't win - probably because when asked why he wanted this job, he replied 'because I love tits'.  

You can justify that sort of discrimination if you can show it's a 'proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim', and if it's a job like bra fitting that involves intimate contact with someone else you can show it's a legitimate aim to just want women for that role, as female customers will usually only want a woman doing it; same with mammography. Where the law would stand now with a trans woman would be interesting.

Back to the OP I think you just need to ask nicely for a larger size uniform and don't be embarrassed about it. Obesity can count as a disability under the Equality Act, depending on the circumstances, but I wouldn't go in guns blazing with that.

So using the same logic if customers only wanted white people doing it then do you think that would mean the employer could reject all applications from non white people?. I don't see how customer preference would trump discrimination law.

Because there is a specific exemption built into the law  which recognises that there are some situations where it is legitimate to discriminate. Other examples include permitting employers to recruit women as rape counsellors or  staff at women's refuges,  to recruit gay men for jobs counselling / supporting vulnerable young men facing discrimination due to their orientation, to recruit men from certain ethnic groups  for gang prevention work where young men of similar backgrounds are targeted and so on.

With regard to bra fittings, again, it's stronger then preference - in a bra fitting you are in a vulnerable position and given the prevalence of sexist behavior, and the extremely high proportion of women's who have experienced sexual assault and sexual harassment it is a proportionate response.  

Yes i agree that there are some situations where it is legitimate to discriminate, but in a bra fitting you are in a less vulnerable position that being intimately examined by a doctor but these kinds of examinations are carried out all the time by male doctors when the patient is female.

Medicine is extremely regulated and requires a heck of a lot of training. Bra fitting... not so much. Plus you can request a doctor or nurse if whatever gender if you prefer, it just may make your wait longer. 

The real problem i have is what is basically being said is that the majority of women don't want a male bra fitter because they believe they could be sexually assaulted. 
Which quite frankly it's awful to think that the majority of women's experiences would make them feel like that and awful that men who would never do anything like that are put into that group. 

Personally I think that the emphasis should be to ensure suitable checks are made on potential candidates instead of just blanket denying the position to men. 

sorry, but i am not having any strange man look at me breasts, let alone fit me bra!  i don't actually mind a male doctor or nurse doing so if they need to do this to treat me, but i think there are lots of women who are more than capable of fitting a bra, so i don't see why it has to be done by a man.

doctors and nurses are less available, and as someone had said, you could still ask for a female doctor or nurse if you so wish.

But it's fine for a strange woman to fit your bra? This is the kind of sexist attitude that i think is unacceptable. 

AskAsk said:

robatwork said:

AskAsk said:

sorry, but i am not having any strange man look at me breasts, let alone fit me bra!  i don't actually mind a male doctor or nurse doing so if they need to do this to treat me, but i think there are lots of women who are more than capable of fitting a bra, so i don't see why it has to be done by a man.

doctors and nurses are less available, and as someone had said, you could still ask for a female doctor or nurse if you so wish.

I realise this thread has veered off topic but as the OP has disappeared it's still an interesting employment subject.

So just to get this straight @AskAsk - I don't have personal knowledge what goes on in a bra fitting nor a gynae examination. But from what you say, you're happy to have a man examine your genitalia, but not fit your bra?

yes.  gynaecologists can often be male and so are doctors.  there is a need for medical staff to examine you and treat you and they are limited in number.

fitting a bra is hardly rocket science, so there are so many people that would be able to do the job, therefore i see no reason whatsoever for this job to be given to a man, when there are so many women that can fill the vacancy.  if such a job was available to men, i can imagine you would get a long queue of men applying for this job, particularly as something on the side 

I'm saying there is no reason to only limit this job to women, so it's fine for a lesbian woman to apply for this job because she is sexually attracted to breasts but it's not fine for a gay man to apply for the job who has no sexual interest in breasts at all?.

Imagine if this attitude was applied to other jobs, would you be happy being turned down for a job because there are plenty of men who can do it so no need for it to be given to a woman?. So taxi firms can refuse any female job applicants because they have a reputation for being "bad a driving" and that's fine because there are plenty of men who can do the job?.
Personally i would find that unacceptable but you seem to think sexism due to you stereotyping is perfectly fine?

i assume you are a man.  if you are a woman, you would think differently.

Doesn't that demonstrate an attitude that is part of the problem?

"Why don't you employ any black or disabled people?"

"I assume you must be black or disabled.  If you weren't you'd think differently"