POFA compliance of NTK

poper

Alright folks. I see I have !!!!!! off most of you.

PPC: Civil Enforcement
Claim Form Issue Date: 1st Oct 2020
Acknowledgement of Service on MCOL: 9th Oct 2020
I plan to submit my defence end of October.

Case Details:
Driver unaware they had to register the VRN inside church entrance(no payment involved) which was newly setup. Driver had been parking at the same location previously without any issues.
Claimant had installed ANPR and parking restrictions were enforced but no clear signages on the driver's need to enter VRN on the keypad inside church. No signages around keypad or near the church register. Church staff offered no advise on the new setup. 
Driver had visited church for legitimate reasons.
To me, it was a deliberate attempt to catch drivers unaware of the new setup and mint money.
I know another driver who paid up without appealing just to avoid any further hassles.

D_P_Dance

Many judges consider these claims a waste of court time, read this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_minimis

Nine times out of ten these tickets are scams, so consider complaining to your MP, sometimes it can lead to cancellation.,

Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, many of whom are former clampers. On 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, and hopefully this will become law shortly

nosferatu1001

Instead of "guessing" that revealing the PPC name was a bad idea, you could have spent 3.5 seconds looking at just the front page, seeing that the name is indeed given. 

VRM. Not VRN. 

poper

Do you mean the below lines?
Some firms (e.g. Civil Enforcement, Highview, Smart Parking, CP Plus and some small PPCs) don't even bother with POFA 2012 wording so the keeper is not liable and you must you point that out to POPLA.

nosferatu1001 said:

Instead of "guessing" that revealing the PPC name was a bad idea, you could have spent 3.5 seconds looking at just the front page, seeing that the name is indeed given. 

VRM. Not VRN. 

Umkomaas

Civil Enforcement - non PoFA-compliant NtKs. But you'll need to understand what that means, and you might have to explain/argue it in front of a Judge. More often than not CEL put you through the wringer hoping you'll either cough up to avoid court, or that you slip up and miss one of the stages leading up to court at which point they'll pile in for a judgment in default, leaving you with credit rash and/or panicking to pay them. If you make sure you follow all the stages fully, CEL very often discontinue or don't pay the filing fee. Don't fall asleep on any of the stages. A court case is unlikely to be scheduled until well into next year. 

Are you going to use the ready made suggested template defence near the top of the forum 'Announcements' (stickies)?

poper

Umkomaas said:

Are you going to use the ready made suggested template defence near the top of the forum 'Announcements' (stickies)?

Yes

KeithP

poper said:

Claim Form Issue Date: 1st Oct 2020
Acknowledgement of Service on MCOL: 9th Oct 2020
I plan to submit my defence end of October.

Ah... a County Court Claim has been raised.

With a Claim Issue Date of 1st October, and having filed an Acknowledgment of Service in a timely manner, you have until 4pm on Tuesday 3rd November 2020 to file your Defence.

That's over two weeks away. Plenty of time to produce a Defence, but please don't leave it to the last minute.

To create a Defence, and then file a Defence by email, look at the second post in the NEWBIES thread.

Don't miss the deadline for filing a Defence.

Coupon-mad

poper said:

Umkomaas said:

Are you going to use the ready made suggested template defence near the top of the forum 'Announcements' (stickies)?

Yes

And you've seen the ParkingEye example defences in the NEWBIES THREAD (yes I know yours isn't PE) and spotted there IS an example about this, to copy from?

Driver unaware they had to register the VRN inside church entrance(no payment involved) 

poper

Oh yes... I read the Odeon one and sounds so similar to mine. 
I will try to lift and drop relevant details from the PE defence. Wonderful

Coupon-mad said:

And you've seen the ParkingEye example defences in the NEWBIES THREAD (yes I know yours isn't PE) and spotted there IS an example about this, to copy from?

poper

This is what scares me. 
Umkomaas said:

But you'll need to understand what that means, and you might have to explain/argue it in front of a Judge.