Ravenside Retail Park, Chesterfield

AnotherForumite

BrownTrout said:

topley4718 said:

BrownTrout said:

topley4718 said:

BrownTrout said:

Coupon-mad said:

You already know from the NEWBIES thread, and every other UKCPS thread you read...not to try the kangaroo court.

Please don't ask what your next step is.  KeithP has told you.

for this site/type of case though i would appeal to the IAS , just deny leaving site and state there is no evidence of this, and then see what they come back with (or if they concede etc...)

Do I just write it as simply as that or is their a template.

Write this, keep it simple
appeal as the keeper or driver (which ever you did in the original appeal) and just say this
The driver (or keeper) never left site whilst parked here, the operator has provided no evidence of the keeper (or driver) leaving site and the burden of proof lies on the operator to prove their case.
Thats it and see what happens.....

The IAS appeal worked and the charge has been cancelled, thanks for the advice folks.

good that PPC user who posted on here wont be happy

Lol, why would I care; I have no association with said company. They deserve to lose the appeal if they can’t perform the simple task of gathering evidence I.e the basics 

Snakes_Belly

Coupon-mad said:

Glad to hear it and I concede I was wrong not to t4ry the kangaroo court!  Well done you, please show us the rationale.

Please do. Appeals that are upheld are as rare as hen's teeth so it would be interesting to see the details.

BrownTrout

AnotherForumite said:

BrownTrout said:

topley4718 said:

BrownTrout said:

topley4718 said:

BrownTrout said:

Coupon-mad said:

You already know from the NEWBIES thread, and every other UKCPS thread you read...not to try the kangaroo court.

Please don't ask what your next step is.  KeithP has told you.

for this site/type of case though i would appeal to the IAS , just deny leaving site and state there is no evidence of this, and then see what they come back with (or if they concede etc...)

Do I just write it as simply as that or is their a template.

Write this, keep it simple
appeal as the keeper or driver (which ever you did in the original appeal) and just say this
The driver (or keeper) never left site whilst parked here, the operator has provided no evidence of the keeper (or driver) leaving site and the burden of proof lies on the operator to prove their case.
Thats it and see what happens.....

The IAS appeal worked and the charge has been cancelled, thanks for the advice folks.

good that PPC user who posted on here wont be happy

Lol, why would I care; I have no association with said company. They deserve to lose the appeal if they can’t perform the simple task of gathering evidence I.e the basics 

Well you seemed a bit narked earlier , not liking the methods employed

BrownTrout

Snakes_Belly said:

Coupon-mad said:

Glad to hear it and I concede I was wrong not to t4ry the kangaroo court!  Well done you, please show us the rationale.

Please do. Appeals that are upheld are as rare as hen's teeth so it would be interesting to see the details.

there wont be any , the ppc would have simply conceded

Snakes_Belly

BrownTrout said:

Snakes_Belly said:

Coupon-mad said:

Glad to hear it and I concede I was wrong not to t4ry the kangaroo court!  Well done you, please show us the rationale.

Please do. Appeals that are upheld are as rare as hen's teeth so it would be interesting to see the details.

there wont be any , the ppc would have simply conceded

I did wonder if the PPC did not bother to reply. We are seeing no shows and discontinuations at the last minute.

Gem82

BrownTrout said:

topley4718 said:

BrownTrout said:

Coupon-mad said:

You already know from the NEWBIES thread, and every other UKCPS thread you read...not to try the kangaroo court.

Please don't ask what your next step is.  KeithP has told you.

for this site/type of case though i would appeal to the IAS , just deny leaving site and state there is no evidence of this, and then see what they come back with (or if they concede etc...)

Do I just write it as simply as that or is their a template.

Write this, keep it simple
appeal as the keeper or driver (which ever you did in the original appeal) and just say this
The driver (or keeper) never left site whilst parked here, the operator has provided no evidence of the keeper (or driver) leaving site and the burden of proof lies on the operator to prove their case.
Thats it and see what happens.....

Hi,

I know this is an old post, but on searching this is the same issue as me. I have had my appeal rejected as the keeper of the vehicle and had a response to a SAR. In addition to some photos of my car parked in the car park, the only other evidence is the witness statement of the parking attendant. Who has described the driver as short and slim wearing all brown and dark hair, with a kid leaving site. 
I was on site, however I am tall (5'7 and plus size, with a kid and a baby in a pram) and I wasn't wearing all brown. 

I am going to give IAS a go as per this case, although having read the newbies thread I know this is usually strongly advised against.

Do I still use your response as the keeper, rather than claiming who the driver was?

I know the newbies thread say specifics are irrelevant however as I want to try IAS I was just after a bit of further advice/encouragement!

TIA 

Coupon-mad

I would appeal to the IAS as driver and state with absolute truth that you didn't leave the site and the ticketer has described the wrong person, because you are not short and slim wearing all brown and dark hair, neither did you have one child with you and neither did you leave the site.  If you have proof of patronage attach that as well and state that the operator has failed to make a prima facie case and is mistaken about the person they saw, who was not connected to you or your vehicle.  

Put it in your own words and add even more compelling description for good measure.  State what you were wearing and that you had a young child and a baby in a pram so it would have been difficult to safely leave the site and go out onto the road, as the ticketer seems to have alleged.  It would also be impossible for that person not to have mentioned the pram as well as the child they saw with the lady in brown.  The description simply doesn't match you and the facts are that you were on site the whole time.  Then describe the shop you did use and what you bought and append the receipt or redacted bank statement to prove it, to make your true story better than theirs. 

Jenni_D

And even if (when?) they reject your appeal, don't stress about it - the PPC would need to start court action to recover the alleged debt due to their invoice, something they are unlikely to do given the facts of your case.

PS - make sure you do the free IAS appeal. Do not be hoodwinked into the paid-for appeal.

Gem82

Thanks both for your advice, I have submitted an appeal via IAS and will what for their response (with little hope!)

Gem82

Just to update on my IAS appeal, the charge has been cancelled. 

Their response:

Thank you for your appeal. Due to further information UKCPS Ltd has confirmed they will no longer be pursuing the matter and the parking charge has been cancelled.

I didn't have any proof of buying anything on site, but used browntrouts earlier statement, saying the burden lied upon them to prove as I did not leave site. And from the statement provided by the parking attendant (received as part of a SAR) I did not believe this to be a description of myself. 

Thanks for your help