PIP telephone assesment today

poppy12345

speedfreek1000 said:

Daisy2016 said:

I will wait till Tuesday and make a follow up call , thanks poppy.
Thanks speedfreek .. my anxiety can get the better of me I’m afraid and I start thinking the worst outcome possible and how if it’s bad news i need to know know so I can try and cope and deal with it . It’s hard to explain to be honest , but thanks for the advice 

Don't bother just leave it!


Anxiety and Depression here just leave it!


If it happens it happens if it doesn't ......................


you've just spent weeks..................


work it out!!!!!!

I think the OP has already decided to request the report. To be honest, having had many of these assessments in the past 8 years myself, i get anxiety whether i request the report or not.

Muttleythefrog

speedfreek1000 said:

Why not wait for the decision before you ask?

You might be causing yourself extra stress by fretting over something when you don't know how the decision maker has marked it?

I had a telephone ESA assessment a few weeks back and just received a letter stating that I got moved from the WRAG to Support Group so you know......... took me while to understanding as I'm more use to failure followed by Tribunal decisions  over the past 10 years!

There's practical and emotional reasons to request the report ASAP. Obviously people suffer illness differently but as someone who suffers serious anxiety I always am thinking worst case scenario...there is no option to not fret... so even getting bad news is often helpful... and typically it is not bad news saving weeks of anxiety since usually the Decision Maker will go with the assessor's report (even to the point of copying obvious errors from them). On the practical side... it gives forewarning of events likely to come which can be valuable preparation (or dare I say it celebration!) time.

speedfreek1000

Sorry for giving people a bit of positive hope!

According to rightsnet I'm in the group that is out side of the easy decision given my suicidal intentions!

So should not have had a telephone assessment!  Under current ESA regs  but I'd rather it be over than hanging over my head since I returned the ESA50 end of March!

One thing though they did have my GP records which is a new thing as they actually  told me when my last GP app was!

That's new and imho good!  And saved me a load of photo copying of psychiatrist letters which I send in with my SSCC1 form ?

poppy12345

speedfreek1000 said:

So should not have had a telephone assessment!  Under current ESA regs  but I'd rather it be over than hanging over my head since I returned the ESA50 end of March!

This thread is about PIP, which is a totally different benefit to ESA.

Daisy2016

So recieved my report today ... 
I was previously on enhanced daily and mobility .

the report suggests 15 points for daily and 10 for mobility . 

Do the decision makers read all of the report ? 

In the planning and following journey section notes it states “Suffers paranoia , stuggles to leave house , Believes people look at her and make fun of her even in the garden . Has auditory hallucinations , they tel her to jump out the car when she is out with carer . Only goes out with carer , gets terrified , heart races . Usually has to cancel all apointments as unable to get past front gate . Vomits while out and when back at home . Last left home last year she thinks . Carer does not warn her about appointments as anxiety starts as soon as she knows ....”

it was stated on the form I cannot follow a familiar journey without my carer .

She’s then given me cannot undertake any journey because it would cause overwhelming physiological distress .....
yet in the justification she has said “ suggests she is unable to undertake any journey due to old reliably or repeatedly on the majority of days  

I’m a little lost but I’m guessing if the decision maker goes with it , it’s enhanced daily and standard mobility 

Daisy2016

What is everyone’s experiences with a mandatory reconsideration ? Clearly if I’m in that much distress I am unable to follow a route - as was decided last time . 

How many people go on to tribunal ? 

I don’t know wether to ask ( if they do award me standard mobility ) because I feel I fit descriptor F not E . But I don’t know if I can go through with the stress and anxiety it all gives me 

Spoonie_Turtle

Daisy2016 said:

What is everyone’s experiences with a mandatory reconsideration ? Clearly if I’m in that much distress I am unable to follow a route - as was decided last time . 

How many people go on to tribunal ? 

I don’t know wether to ask ( if they do award me standard mobility ) because I feel I fit descriptor F not E . But I don’t know if I can go through with the stress and anxiety it all gives me 

Descriptor F is basically if you could follow a familiar journey as long as you were with someone else or had an orientation aid. If you cannot undertake any journey due to overwhelming distress, it means you can't follow the journey even if you had someone else with you. 

From the official guidance:
A claimant who satisfies 1E cannot also satisfy 1F. If they cannot undertake a single journey on the majority of days due to overwhelming psychological distress, then 1E will be the applicable descriptor, even if there are occasions when they could follow a familiar route, if accompanied.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria#mobility-activities

Daisy2016

So in theory I’m worse off because I can’t undertake any journey without distress ..... but someone who can take a journey with help is awarded more points ? 

Seems weird that they think someone who can manage the journey with help is worse off then someone who cannot undertake the journey at all ? 

Thanks spoonie

Muttleythefrog

Daisy2016 said:

So in theory I’m worse off because I can’t undertake any journey without distress ..... but someone who can take a journey with help is awarded more points ? 

Seems weird that they think someone who can manage the journey with help is worse off then someone who cannot undertake the journey at all ? 

Thanks spoonie

Chances are the Decision Maker will go with the report - they tend to rubber stamp it in effect although not always. I sort of fall into same camp on the Mobility 1 activity... for the majority of the time descriptor E applies so F is not considered applicable and in fact I argued strongly in my review paperwork that although F does apply it is E that applies on almost all days meaning F becomes irrelevant. You however seem to have been awarded descriptor F before so I'm not sure if you would have a decent case to take forward if you wanted to challenge the decision. Guidance and legal clarifications quite possibly have occurred since your last decision... in fact the DWP have being doing a background review of PIP claims potentially affected.

As it happens I've just had a paper review for PIP and quickly requested the report which I think is a very fair one. In line with my previous posts this has been somewhat helpful because I can be confident it is extremely unlikely I'm about to lose PIP.. my award is almost certainly going to remain same but it could be weeks away before a decision... as for you. You have some time to think about Mobility 1 and if you have a case to pursue on the assumption decision will mark Mob 1E as applicable to you.

Making sense of the relevant awards versus severity of disability/help needed... well... there's a debate there to be had.. but it won't help you so I'd focus on what does.

Obviously 1E rather than 1F probably means you end up with standard mobility award rather than enhanced assuming you get no points for Mob 2 activity...not ideal... although it would mean you eligible for blue badge now criteria includes that descriptor as automatic qualification.

poppy12345

Daisy2016 said:

What is everyone’s experiences with a mandatory reconsideration ? Clearly if I’m in that much distress I am unable to follow a route - as was decided last time . 

How many people go on to tribunal ? 

I don’t know wether to ask ( if they do award me standard mobility ) because I feel I fit descriptor F not E . But I don’t know if I can go through with the stress and anxiety it all gives me 

If you can't go out the majority of the days because of overwhelming psychological distress then descriptor 1E would apply. If you can go out but with a carer/support but you can't follow the route of familiar journey then F would apply. Sounds like to me that E is the correct recommendation, which would be Standard mobility.

It's only advisable to request the MR then Tribunal if more points can be awarded, as you don't go out the majority of days then taking this any further would be a waste of time.

What makes you think you qualify for Enhanced mobility if you're unable to go out even with a carer/support?