NEWBIES L B C AND DEBT CLAIM

Darren104

Umkomaas said:

Usual drivel. We see stuff like this all the time. Nothing is going to make any regular stare goggle-eyed at it. Anything they state which you can use against them, you take that opportunity, somewhere in the process. 

Hi, Should they reveal who the landowner is or don't they have to 

KeithP

Darren104 said:

Umkomaas said:

Usual drivel. We see stuff like this all the time. Nothing is going to make any regular stare goggle-eyed at it. Anything they state which you can use against them, you take that opportunity, somewhere in the process. 

Hi, Should they reveal who the landowner is or don't they have to 

They don't have to.

Use your investigative powers. I.e. google is your friend.

Darren104

Hi Guys, my MP emailed me today after dealing with NCP on my behalf...
Dear D,
Thank you for contacting my office. 
NCP have offered a detailed response to your complaint.
I would suggest forwarding a repayment plan that is affordable and reasonable…
£160 over 12 months is £13.33 p/m
£160 over 18 months is £8.88 p/m
£160 over 24 months is £6.66 p/m
Whilst we would very much like to make the issue ‘go away’ unfortunately the matter is between you and NCP.
We can support but ultimately they are following procedures.
Should what you class a ‘reasonable’ repayment plan not be accepted we would be happy to further support in trying to get agreement sorted.
In the meantime if you have any further issues please do not hesitate to get back in touch.
Regards,
Shaun Keasey obo Marco Longhi MP 

Redx

But you only owe NCP £100 ,not £160 , if you owe them anything at all , certainly not the additional £60 for debt collection , so not double recovery

Were_Doomed

Exactly ... your MP obviously hasn't engaged with Sir Greg Knight to understand this scam.

Coupon-mad

Absolutely CLUELESS MP.  Completely wrong.

People should NOT be told by MPs to pay these extortionate fake fines (and at the enhanced double recovery level of £160 - madness!).   Tell him that this is completely the wrong approach and out of line with the will of Parliament, and naive to think that a Parking firm can add stupid amounts of money on top of parking charges that were called out in the House of Commons more than once in the past 2 years - did he miss the debates?  He needs to read them.

Show him and tell him about the new Code of Practice and 2019 Act, and show the MPs' unanimous words from 2018 (Hansard records) where they condemned the industry, including the BPA and IPC:

Feb 2018:
https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-02-02/debates/CC84AF5E-AC6E-4E14-81B1-066E6A892807/Parking(CodeOfPractice)Bill

Pete Wishart MP (Perth): ''I think all this just goes to show how much in harmony the members of MP4 are on these issues.

This is a particularly useful Bill, which I strongly support. I believe that it is absolutely necessary. Private parking companies have become a curse in so many of our communities, and they are out of control in so ​many areas. They are a blight on communities, harassing motorists and driving tourists away from many towns and city centres. The city of Perth is plagued by these cowboys.  

This is the level of harassment our constituents are now having to put up with on a daily basis at the hands of these cowboys, and it has to come to an end...Too often the parking cowboys dress them up as fines; they are not fines. They are not even effectively legally enforceable; what they are is a statement to say that the recipient has somehow breached the terms and conditions of using that private land, and if the parking ​company were to pursue them, it would have to go to the civil court and prove that they broke those terms and conditions.

I make a plea, too, on the use of debt collection agencies, which has to end. They are grossly invasive, threatening and meant to intimidate people into paying. I have seen some appalling examples of the use of debt collection agencies and how they increase the intensity of their threats and intimidation. I have had constituents who have had 10 threatening letters, which increase to the point where I almost think they are going to be taken out and shot at dawn, such is the level of their threats.''

Rishi Sunak MP:
''The hon. Lady raises the issue of the level of fines, which is also something the code is considering. In theory, there is currently a maximum fine; the job of the new code is to make sure it is properly enforced.''

July 2018:
https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-07-19/debates/2b90805c-bff8-4707-8bdc-b0bfae5a7ad5/Parking(CodeOfPractice)Bill(FirstSitting)

Sir Greg Knight MP:
''...(the new Bill)...requires the Government to create a new mandatory code of practice across the private parking sector, which will end the inconsistent and unfair treatment of British motorists by rogue parking operators. It is important that motorists know when they enter a car park that they are entering into a contract that is reasonable, transparent and involves a consistent process. Poor signage, unreasonable terms, exorbitant fines, aggressive demands for payment and an opaque appeals process have no place in 21st-century Britain. In short, self-regulation has not worked, which is why the Bill is necessary.''


Nov 2018:
https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-11-23/debates/005F9F65-57E5-4AD0-B6EC-C26C75A7AAA2/Parking(CodeOfPractice)Bill

Andrew Gwynne MP:
''I congratulate the right hon. Member for East Yorkshire (Sir Greg Knight) on the progress of this much needed Bill, which I am pleased to support on behalf of Her Majesty’s Opposition. It is long overdue, as we have heard today, and I thank him personally for his tenacity on this issue. He will be the champion of drivers across the land, because we all know and can all tell very similar tales of constituents who have been clobbered by these sharp practices.  ...   I hope that it will be seen by the sector as an opportunity to rebuild the shattered trust between car-park operators and the motoring public. Poor signage and sometimes no signage at all, unreasonable rules, exorbitant so-called fines, aggressive and excessive demand for payment and an appeals process that does not work in the interests of consumers constitutes behaviour that needs to be stopped.

Similarly, action must be taken to ensure that parking companies are not able to raise the level of fines to mitigate the effects of the levy that will facilitate the scheme. We need to crack down on the bogus procedure whereby they are able to make their fines look official. These are not penalty charge notices; they are nothing of the sort. To frighten vulnerable and elderly people, in particular, into paying unreasonable charges when they do not have to do so is wrong, and something that the Bill seeks to address.

As others have already said, we need to ensure that there is a cap on fines, and that they are appropriate. I strongly agree with the hon. Member for Perth and North Perthshire that they should be at a level similar to the level of fines imposed by the local authority in whose area the car park is located.''


Pete Wishart MP:
''The Bill means that these companies will no longer be able to get away with that type of behaviour. The days when they could distribute fines like confetti, and when they could confuse and frustrate our constituents with their so-called smart technology and poor signage in order to harvest fines, are coming to an end. The Bill is evidently necessary, because self-regulation has been a resolute failure. The toothless regulators, such as the British Parking Association, are singularly incapable of dealing with the sharper practices of the rogue operators.''

I believe these parking companies intentionally deploy poor signage. The fact that motorists can be fined simply for entering a car park to look for a space is simply and clearly unacceptable...

Another of my pleas to be included in the code—the Minister may be able to help us with this one—is capping fines, a feature that I think we all agree must happen. The fact that someone can be fined £140, £160 or £180 for parking a car is simply and utterly absurd. I think, and I hope, that this will be addressed. My suggestion is that fines or parking charge notices in private car parks should be no more than those of the local authority. I think it is fair that there is a uniform cost that people pay in any city or town across the country, and I am pretty certain that we will get to such a place.''

Umkomaas

Marco Loghi MP was only elected to Parliament in December 2019. Likely to be blissfully unaware of the Sir Greg Act and could well have been 'brainwashed' by IPC/BPA briefing papers for new MPs. 

Castle

Umkomaas said:

Marco Loghi MP was only elected to Parliament in December 2019. Likely to be blissfully unaware of the Sir Greg Act and could well have been 'brainwashed' by IPC/BPA briefing papers for new MPs. 

Or maybe as the former Managing Director of Justmove (Lettings) Ltd (Company number 07681798), he holds a different view to the majority of MP's.

Were_Doomed

https://www.marcolonghi.org.uk/campaigns/marcos-fireworks-survey

Is a fireworks survey also a good place to make comment about his bizarre response to this thread's OP? No? Oh well ... too late. 😁🤣

Darren104

Hi all,
Could NCP / BW Legal use the following to justify there £60 add on...
BRITISH PARKING ASSOCIATION CODE OF PRACTICE
19 Charges, and terms and conditions
19.9 You should warn drivers that if they delay payment beyond a payment period of 28 days, and you need to take court action or use debt-recovery methods to recover a debt, there may be extra ‘recovery’ charges for debt-recovery action. However, you do not need to say how much these recovery charges are in advance, on your signs or notices.