Website refuses to refund cancelled preorders paid for upfront with PayPal.

Aylesbury_Duck

inholms said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

inholms said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

inholms said:

I need to share this with you. PayPal and Facebook are involved in a huge scam. I am one of thousands who have been conned. Here’s how it works. I read a ‘pop up’ add on Facebook. It’s an interesting bit of kit, in my case a high tech kitchen chopping board. $30. I paid through PayPal and two months later a crude useless wooden board arrived from China. Its happening all round the world. I complained and PayPal refunded me. However, they normally don’t as can be seen on their own blog site https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/Disputes-and-Limitations/Fraud-Dongguan-Shunfa-Logistics-Co-Ltd/td-p/2014870 Makes interesting reading (Why are they allowing this site to run? Are they so arrogant they can’t be touched?) I have recieved other useless junk items not as advertised and they have refused a refund.
I’m convinced that as PayPal and Facebook are involved in fraud/money laundering and this need exposing. Web shopping is a wonderful thing. Why are these major players destroying peoples trust and confidence? I just don’t get it.

"Things bought off Facebook and paid for by Paypal aren't always what they seem" shocker.

Stop falling for rubbish pop-up adverts.
Stop buying things that are too good to be true to save a few quid.
Buy proper things from proper retailers using proper forms of payment and you won't have these sorts of problems.  It's not difficult.

No need to be patronising. The point is that there is a scam going on here supported by the very two companies that have the power to stop it. There behaviour is undermining the usefulness of internet shopping. Instead of wagging the school master finger why not ask ‘How and why are Facebook and PayPal getting away with this.  

My post wasn't addressed to you directly (too late for that) but to other people, to stop them falling for this nonsense.

As to how FB and PP are getting away with this, the answer is sadly that there is no shortage of people willing to respond to these pop-up adverts and buy dubious products that are for sale on a social media site, thus driving views, clicks and revenue.  You don't pay for FB so how do they make money?  As the saying goes, if you're not paying for the product, you are the product.  20 years ago people were falling for "bargains" out of the back of a transit van from a bloke with a loudhailer on the high street.  This is simply the web-based equivalent. 

Aylesbury_Duck said:

inholms said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

inholms said:

I need to share this with you. PayPal and Facebook are involved in a huge scam. I am one of thousands who have been conned. Here’s how it works. I read a ‘pop up’ add on Facebook. It’s an interesting bit of kit, in my case a high tech kitchen chopping board. $30. I paid through PayPal and two months later a crude useless wooden board arrived from China. Its happening all round the world. I complained and PayPal refunded me. However, they normally don’t as can be seen on their own blog site https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/Disputes-and-Limitations/Fraud-Dongguan-Shunfa-Logistics-Co-Ltd/td-p/2014870 Makes interesting reading (Why are they allowing this site to run? Are they so arrogant they can’t be touched?) I have recieved other useless junk items not as advertised and they have refused a refund.
I’m convinced that as PayPal and Facebook are involved in fraud/money laundering and this need exposing. Web shopping is a wonderful thing. Why are these major players destroying peoples trust and confidence? I just don’t get it.

"Things bought off Facebook and paid for by Paypal aren't always what they seem" shocker.

Stop falling for rubbish pop-up adverts.
Stop buying things that are too good to be true to save a few quid.
Buy proper things from proper retailers using proper forms of payment and you won't have these sorts of problems.  It's not difficult.

No need to be patronising. The point is that there is a scam going on here supported by the very two companies that have the power to stop it. There behaviour is undermining the usefulness of internet shopping. Instead of wagging the school master finger why not ask ‘How and why are Facebook and PayPal getting away with this.  

My post wasn't addressed to you directly (too late for that) but to other people, to stop them falling for this nonsense.

As to how FB and PP are getting away with this, the answer is sadly that there is no shortage of people willing to respond to these pop-up adverts and buy dubious products that are for sale on a social media site, thus driving views, clicks and revenue.  You don't pay for FB so how do they make money?  As the saying goes, if you're not paying for the product, you are the product.  20 years ago people were falling for "bargains" out of the back of a transit van from a bloke with a loudhailer on the high street.  This is simply the web-based equivalent. 

Facebook ARE getting revenue from the scamers. In the face of so many people saying they have been ripped off, why is Facebook allowing these crooks to advertise on their site? This behaviour is destroying what could be a wonderful way of trading. 

There's your answer.  Have you reported the activity to Facebook?  What did they say?

There already is a wonderful way of trading online.  This sort of activity doesn't destroy it, it just inevitably sits alongside it just as back-of-van sellers sit alongside proper shops.  As long as there's a market, they will exist.

born_again

inholms said:

The point is that there is a scam going on here supported by the very two companies that have the power to stop it. There behaviour is undermining the usefulness of internet shopping. Instead of wagging the school master finger why not ask ‘How and why are Facebook and PayPal getting away with this.  

These sites are not there to police retailers advertising.
Just the same as banks do not police retailers.
Lets face it even the consumer bodies can not even police retailers.

As a rule of thumb. If anything like this pops up on social media. Then..
A. goggle it to see if it's available direct via a website.
B. Check Amazon, as it may be cheaper.

inholms

Aylesbury_Duck said:

inholms said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

inholms said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

inholms said:

I need to share this with you. PayPal and Facebook are involved in a huge scam. I am one of thousands who have been conned. Here’s how it works. I read a ‘pop up’ add on Facebook. It’s an interesting bit of kit, in my case a high tech kitchen chopping board. $30. I paid through PayPal and two months later a crude useless wooden board arrived from China. Its happening all round the world. I complained and PayPal refunded me. However, they normally don’t as can be seen on their own blog site https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/Disputes-and-Limitations/Fraud-Dongguan-Shunfa-Logistics-Co-Ltd/td-p/2014870 Makes interesting reading (Why are they allowing this site to run? Are they so arrogant they can’t be touched?) I have recieved other useless junk items not as advertised and they have refused a refund.
I’m convinced that as PayPal and Facebook are involved in fraud/money laundering and this need exposing. Web shopping is a wonderful thing. Why are these major players destroying peoples trust and confidence? I just don’t get it.

"Things bought off Facebook and paid for by Paypal aren't always what they seem" shocker.

Stop falling for rubbish pop-up adverts.
Stop buying things that are too good to be true to save a few quid.
Buy proper things from proper retailers using proper forms of payment and you won't have these sorts of problems.  It's not difficult.

No need to be patronising. The point is that there is a scam going on here supported by the very two companies that have the power to stop it. There behaviour is undermining the usefulness of internet shopping. Instead of wagging the school master finger why not ask ‘How and why are Facebook and PayPal getting away with this.  

My post wasn't addressed to you directly (too late for that) but to other people, to stop them falling for this nonsense.

As to how FB and PP are getting away with this, the answer is sadly that there is no shortage of people willing to respond to these pop-up adverts and buy dubious products that are for sale on a social media site, thus driving views, clicks and revenue.  You don't pay for FB so how do they make money?  As the saying goes, if you're not paying for the product, you are the product.  20 years ago people were falling for "bargains" out of the back of a transit van from a bloke with a loudhailer on the high street.  This is simply the web-based equivalent. 

Aylesbury_Duck said:

inholms said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

inholms said:

I need to share this with you. PayPal and Facebook are involved in a huge scam. I am one of thousands who have been conned. Here’s how it works. I read a ‘pop up’ add on Facebook. It’s an interesting bit of kit, in my case a high tech kitchen chopping board. $30. I paid through PayPal and two months later a crude useless wooden board arrived from China. Its happening all round the world. I complained and PayPal refunded me. However, they normally don’t as can be seen on their own blog site https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/Disputes-and-Limitations/Fraud-Dongguan-Shunfa-Logistics-Co-Ltd/td-p/2014870 Makes interesting reading (Why are they allowing this site to run? Are they so arrogant they can’t be touched?) I have recieved other useless junk items not as advertised and they have refused a refund.
I’m convinced that as PayPal and Facebook are involved in fraud/money laundering and this need exposing. Web shopping is a wonderful thing. Why are these major players destroying peoples trust and confidence? I just don’t get it.

"Things bought off Facebook and paid for by Paypal aren't always what they seem" shocker.

Stop falling for rubbish pop-up adverts.
Stop buying things that are too good to be true to save a few quid.
Buy proper things from proper retailers using proper forms of payment and you won't have these sorts of problems.  It's not difficult.

No need to be patronising. The point is that there is a scam going on here supported by the very two companies that have the power to stop it. There behaviour is undermining the usefulness of internet shopping. Instead of wagging the school master finger why not ask ‘How and why are Facebook and PayPal getting away with this.  

My post wasn't addressed to you directly (too late for that) but to other people, to stop them falling for this nonsense.

As to how FB and PP are getting away with this, the answer is sadly that there is no shortage of people willing to respond to these pop-up adverts and buy dubious products that are for sale on a social media site, thus driving views, clicks and revenue.  You don't pay for FB so how do they make money?  As the saying goes, if you're not paying for the product, you are the product.  20 years ago people were falling for "bargains" out of the back of a transit van from a bloke with a loudhailer on the high street.  This is simply the web-based equivalent. 

Facebook ARE getting revenue from the scamers. In the face of so many people saying they have been ripped off, why is Facebook allowing these crooks to advertise on their site? This behaviour is destroying what could be a wonderful way of trading. 

There's your answer.  Have you reported the activity to Facebook?  What did they say?

There already is a wonderful way of trading online.  This sort of activity doesn't destroy it, it just inevitably sits alongside it just as back-of-van sellers sit alongside proper shops.  As long as there's a market, they will exist.

You just don’t get it do you? This has been going on for months (same company) Thousands HAVE complained about this To Facebook and PayPal but they do nothing. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that they are both complicit in this crime. 

inholms

born_again said:

inholms said:

The point is that there is a scam going on here supported by the very two companies that have the power to stop it. There behaviour is undermining the usefulness of internet shopping. Instead of wagging the school master finger why not ask ‘How and why are Facebook and PayPal getting away with this.  

These sites are not there to police retailers advertising.
Just the same as banks do not police retailers.
Lets face it even the consumer bodies can not even police retailers.

As a rule of thumb. If anything like this pops up on social media. Then..
A. goggle it to see if it's available direct via a website.
B. Check Amazon, as it may be cheaper.

You just don’t get it do you? This has been going on for months (same company) Thousands HAVE complained about this To Facebook and PayPal but they do nothing. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that they are both complicit in this crime. 

jon81uk

inholms said:

born_again said:

inholms said:

The point is that there is a scam going on here supported by the very two companies that have the power to stop it. There behaviour is undermining the usefulness of internet shopping. Instead of wagging the school master finger why not ask ‘How and why are Facebook and PayPal getting away with this.  

These sites are not there to police retailers advertising.
Just the same as banks do not police retailers.
Lets face it even the consumer bodies can not even police retailers.

As a rule of thumb. If anything like this pops up on social media. Then..
A. goggle it to see if it's available direct via a website.
B. Check Amazon, as it may be cheaper.

You just don’t get it do you? This has been going on for months (same company) Thousands HAVE complained about this To Facebook and PayPal but they do nothing. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that they are both complicit in this crime. 

If I put a notice in a newsagent window (I know this isn't really a thing anymore) stating I've got Calvin Klien fragrance at £5 a bottle, is the newsagent also commiting a crime by allowing the advert for fake products?

inholms

jon81uk said:

inholms said:

born_again said:

inholms said:

The point is that there is a scam going on here supported by the very two companies that have the power to stop it. There behaviour is undermining the usefulness of internet shopping. Instead of wagging the school master finger why not ask ‘How and why are Facebook and PayPal getting away with this.  

These sites are not there to police retailers advertising.
Just the same as banks do not police retailers.
Lets face it even the consumer bodies can not even police retailers.

As a rule of thumb. If anything like this pops up on social media. Then..
A. goggle it to see if it's available direct via a website.
B. Check Amazon, as it may be cheaper.

You just don’t get it do you? This has been going on for months (same company) Thousands HAVE complained about this To Facebook and PayPal but they do nothing. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that they are both complicit in this crime. 

If I put a notice in a newsagent window (I know this isn't really a thing anymore) stating I've got Calvin Klien fragrance at £5 a bottle, is the newsagent also commiting a crime by allowing the advert for fake products?

YES

Manxman_in_exile

inholms said:

jon81uk said:

inholms said:

born_again said:

inholms said:

The point is that there is a scam going on here supported by the very two companies that have the power to stop it. There behaviour is undermining the usefulness of internet shopping. Instead of wagging the school master finger why not ask ‘How and why are Facebook and PayPal getting away with this.  

These sites are not there to police retailers advertising.
Just the same as banks do not police retailers.
Lets face it even the consumer bodies can not even police retailers.

As a rule of thumb. If anything like this pops up on social media. Then..
A. goggle it to see if it's available direct via a website.
B. Check Amazon, as it may be cheaper.

You just don’t get it do you? This has been going on for months (same company) Thousands HAVE complained about this To Facebook and PayPal but they do nothing. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that they are both complicit in this crime. 

If I put a notice in a newsagent window (I know this isn't really a thing anymore) stating I've got Calvin Klien fragrance at £5 a bottle, is the newsagent also commiting a crime by allowing the advert for fake products?

YES

WHY?

inholms

Manxman_in_exile said:

inholms said:

jon81uk said:

inholms said:

born_again said:

inholms said:

The point is that there is a scam going on here supported by the very two companies that have the power to stop it. There behaviour is undermining the usefulness of internet shopping. Instead of wagging the school master finger why not ask ‘How and why are Facebook and PayPal getting away with this.  

These sites are not there to police retailers advertising.
Just the same as banks do not police retailers.
Lets face it even the consumer bodies can not even police retailers.

As a rule of thumb. If anything like this pops up on social media. Then..
A. goggle it to see if it's available direct via a website.
B. Check Amazon, as it may be cheaper.

You just don’t get it do you? This has been going on for months (same company) Thousands HAVE complained about this To Facebook and PayPal but they do nothing. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that they are both complicit in this crime. 

If I put a notice in a newsagent window (I know this isn't really a thing anymore) stating I've got Calvin Klien fragrance at £5 a bottle, is the newsagent also commiting a crime by allowing the advert for fake products?

YES

WHY?

They are aiding and abetting a crime.

samscot

If it is UK based company then you will have to watch terms and conditions. I bought Custom Medicine Boxes at Print Custom Boxes UK. I got a problem with payment. But these guys were really helpful. 

jon81uk

inholms said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

inholms said:

jon81uk said:

inholms said:

born_again said:

inholms said:

The point is that there is a scam going on here supported by the very two companies that have the power to stop it. There behaviour is undermining the usefulness of internet shopping. Instead of wagging the school master finger why not ask ‘How and why are Facebook and PayPal getting away with this.  

These sites are not there to police retailers advertising.
Just the same as banks do not police retailers.
Lets face it even the consumer bodies can not even police retailers.

As a rule of thumb. If anything like this pops up on social media. Then..
A. goggle it to see if it's available direct via a website.
B. Check Amazon, as it may be cheaper.

You just don’t get it do you? This has been going on for months (same company) Thousands HAVE complained about this To Facebook and PayPal but they do nothing. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that they are both complicit in this crime. 

If I put a notice in a newsagent window (I know this isn't really a thing anymore) stating I've got Calvin Klien fragrance at £5 a bottle, is the newsagent also commiting a crime by allowing the advert for fake products?

YES

WHY?

They are aiding and abetting a crime.

But if they take the advert in good faith they don’t know they are aiding a crime. Do you expect them to check every single advert to see what the product is?