Been refused everything- now what?

calcotti

TheShape said:

calcotti said:

epm-84 said: Not sure bus passes and eye tests have a legitimate reason, as they don't necessarily correspond with the age you can claim a state pension from. 

In England bus passes are not available until pension age. Rules in other parts of UK differ.

You can get a 60+ Oyster card in London from age 60 which allows: 

• Free travel on bus, Tube, tram, DLR, London Overground, TfL Rail (excluding between West Drayton and Reading) and most National Rail services in London

.  https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/free-and-discounted-travel/60-plus-oyster-photocard

I forgot that London too is different (not being a Londoner).

Jeremy535897

calcotti said:

TheShape said:

calcotti said:

epm-84 said: Not sure bus passes and eye tests have a legitimate reason, as they don't necessarily correspond with the age you can claim a state pension from. 

In England bus passes are not available until pension age. Rules in other parts of UK differ.

You can get a 60+ Oyster card in London from age 60 which allows: 

• Free travel on bus, Tube, tram, DLR, London Overground, TfL Rail (excluding between West Drayton and Reading) and most National Rail services in London

.  https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/free-and-discounted-travel/60-plus-oyster-photocard

I forgot that London too is different (not being a Londoner).

Senior railcards offering a discount are offered nationally at age 60.

calcotti

Jeremy535897 said:

calcotti said:

TheShape said:

calcotti said:

epm-84 said: Not sure bus passes and eye tests have a legitimate reason, as they don't necessarily correspond with the age you can claim a state pension from. 

In England bus passes are not available until pension age. Rules in other parts of UK differ.

You can get a 60+ Oyster card in London from age 60 which allows: 

• Free travel on bus, Tube, tram, DLR, London Overground, TfL Rail (excluding between West Drayton and Reading) and most National Rail services in London

.  https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/free-and-discounted-travel/60-plus-oyster-photocard

I forgot that London too is different (not being a Londoner).

Senior railcards offering a discount are offered nationally at age 60.

Railcards are rather different - after all there are also 2for1 cards, young person and family and friend cards.

Aranyani

calcotti said:

Jeremy535897 said:

calcotti said:

TheShape said:

calcotti said:

epm-84 said: Not sure bus passes and eye tests have a legitimate reason, as they don't necessarily correspond with the age you can claim a state pension from. 

In England bus passes are not available until pension age. Rules in other parts of UK differ.

You can get a 60+ Oyster card in London from age 60 which allows: 

• Free travel on bus, Tube, tram, DLR, London Overground, TfL Rail (excluding between West Drayton and Reading) and most National Rail services in London

.  https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/free-and-discounted-travel/60-plus-oyster-photocard

I forgot that London too is different (not being a Londoner).

Senior railcards offering a discount are offered nationally at age 60.

Railcards are rather different - after all there are also 2for1 cards, young person and family and friend cards.

Yes the only people who don’t benefit from a railcard are single adults aged 30-60 I believe. 

epm-84

calcotti said:

Jeremy535897 said:

calcotti said:

TheShape said:

calcotti said:

epm-84 said: Not sure bus passes and eye tests have a legitimate reason, as they don't necessarily correspond with the age you can claim a state pension from. 

In England bus passes are not available until pension age. Rules in other parts of UK differ.

You can get a 60+ Oyster card in London from age 60 which allows: 

• Free travel on bus, Tube, tram, DLR, London Overground, TfL Rail (excluding between West Drayton and Reading) and most National Rail services in London

.  https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/free-and-discounted-travel/60-plus-oyster-photocard

I forgot that London too is different (not being a Londoner).

Senior railcards offering a discount are offered nationally at age 60.

Railcards are rather different - after all there are also 2for1 cards, young person and family and friend cards.

Originally it was Young Persons and Senior, which sort of created fares in between adult and child rate ones, with mature students also being eligible for the Young Persons one.  Then other ones got introduced - it's also not 2 for 1 it's Two Together which allows two adult off-peak return tickets to be purchased for the price of 1.5 in an attempt to make the train more attractive to people travelling with others and to try and get more people on to public transport, in the way the Friends & Family works for adults travelling with children.

calcotti

epm-84 said:...- it's also not 2 for 1 it's Two Together ..

Quite right - no idea why I typed 2for1.

epm-84

Aranyani said:

calcotti said:

Jeremy535897 said:

calcotti said:

TheShape said:

calcotti said:

epm-84 said: Not sure bus passes and eye tests have a legitimate reason, as they don't necessarily correspond with the age you can claim a state pension from. 

In England bus passes are not available until pension age. Rules in other parts of UK differ.

You can get a 60+ Oyster card in London from age 60 which allows: 

• Free travel on bus, Tube, tram, DLR, London Overground, TfL Rail (excluding between West Drayton and Reading) and most National Rail services in London

.  https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/free-and-discounted-travel/60-plus-oyster-photocard

I forgot that London too is different (not being a Londoner).

Senior railcards offering a discount are offered nationally at age 60.

Railcards are rather different - after all there are also 2for1 cards, young person and family and friend cards.

Yes the only people who don’t benefit from a railcard are single adults aged 30-60 I believe. 

Not exactly.

Mature students can get a 16-25 railcard regardless of their age. The new name (previously Young Persons) is confusing as:
a) Mature students qualify
b) The age limit is based on the date of purchase, it doesn't expire on your 26th birthday it continues to be valid until the expiry date.

ANY adult travelling with children is eligible for a Friends & Family railcard, hence the 'Friends' bit in the name which is perhaps also confusing as it's not suitable for a group of adult friends who regularly travel together but is valid for a single person travelling with a friend and their children.

Two Together doesn't have to mean a couple, two friends who regularly travel together qualify.

Aranyani

epm-84 said:

Aranyani said:

calcotti said:

Jeremy535897 said:

calcotti said:

TheShape said:

calcotti said:

epm-84 said: Not sure bus passes and eye tests have a legitimate reason, as they don't necessarily correspond with the age you can claim a state pension from. 

In England bus passes are not available until pension age. Rules in other parts of UK differ.

You can get a 60+ Oyster card in London from age 60 which allows: 

• Free travel on bus, Tube, tram, DLR, London Overground, TfL Rail (excluding between West Drayton and Reading) and most National Rail services in London

.  https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/free-and-discounted-travel/60-plus-oyster-photocard

I forgot that London too is different (not being a Londoner).

Senior railcards offering a discount are offered nationally at age 60.

Railcards are rather different - after all there are also 2for1 cards, young person and family and friend cards.

Yes the only people who don’t benefit from a railcard are single adults aged 30-60 I believe. 

Not exactly.

Mature students can get a 16-25 railcard regardless of their age. The new name (previously Young Persons) is confusing as:
a) Mature students qualify
b) The age limit is based on the date of purchase, it doesn't expire on your 26th birthday it continues to be valid until the expiry date.

ANY adult travelling with children is eligible for a Friends & Family railcard, hence the 'Friends' bit in the name which is perhaps also confusing as it's not suitable for a group of adult friends who regularly travel together but is valid for a single person travelling with a friend and their children.

Two Together doesn't have to mean a couple, two friends who regularly travel together qualify.

Ok then, so the only people who don't automatically benefit are single adults without children. 

The two together isn't officially just for couples, but realistically how many single people have another person in their life that they take a lot of train journeys with?  Maybe a housemate with the same commute, but that's pretty rare.  We both know they are for couples really.

epm-84

Aranyani said:

epm-84 said:

Aranyani said:

calcotti said:

Jeremy535897 said:

calcotti said:

TheShape said:

calcotti said:

epm-84 said: Not sure bus passes and eye tests have a legitimate reason, as they don't necessarily correspond with the age you can claim a state pension from. 

In England bus passes are not available until pension age. Rules in other parts of UK differ.

You can get a 60+ Oyster card in London from age 60 which allows: 

• Free travel on bus, Tube, tram, DLR, London Overground, TfL Rail (excluding between West Drayton and Reading) and most National Rail services in London

.  https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/free-and-discounted-travel/60-plus-oyster-photocard

I forgot that London too is different (not being a Londoner).

Senior railcards offering a discount are offered nationally at age 60.

Railcards are rather different - after all there are also 2for1 cards, young person and family and friend cards.

Yes the only people who don’t benefit from a railcard are single adults aged 30-60 I believe. 

Not exactly.

Mature students can get a 16-25 railcard regardless of their age. The new name (previously Young Persons) is confusing as:
a) Mature students qualify
b) The age limit is based on the date of purchase, it doesn't expire on your 26th birthday it continues to be valid until the expiry date.

ANY adult travelling with children is eligible for a Friends & Family railcard, hence the 'Friends' bit in the name which is perhaps also confusing as it's not suitable for a group of adult friends who regularly travel together but is valid for a single person travelling with a friend and their children.

Two Together doesn't have to mean a couple, two friends who regularly travel together qualify.

Ok then, so the only people who don't automatically benefit are single adults without children. 

The two together isn't officially just for couples, but realistically how many single people have another person in their life that they take a lot of train journeys with?  Maybe a housemate with the same commute, but that's pretty rare.  We both know they are for couples really.

Railcards have minimum fares of £12 in the morning peak e.g. if the normal ticket price is £8 you don't get a railcard discount and if the normal ticket price is £12.50 then it's only reduced by 50p by having the railcard, so railcards aren't appropriate for most people at peak times.

If you live say 20-30 miles from a big city like Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool etc. under normal circumstances you might go for a night out in to the city once or twice a month and go with the same people each time, so if you pay £15 for 2 tickets instead of £20 you'd save the cost of the Two Together railcard after a few months so even if one of your mates stops going out as often you're unlikely to lose out.

calcotti

We seem to have moved a long way from helping OP with their query!