Anyone Not Suffering During this?

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We’re dipping some customers now and will continue to do until end of Jan but that was our industry setup anyway come colder weather. To think I was 1 of 6 new people into my Employers business since start of year. Pretty lucky I would never have been furloughed due to my Employer’s past history with HMRC anyway.

yellow1231231

Jojocat said:

Big corporations? Come on, some people MUST be making a whole bunch of ££££ and $$$$. I wonder who that could be. Think, think, think.

care agencies and carers that work for them. 

yellow1231231

onwards&upwards said:

Dr_Crypto said:

Healthcare. OK it was tough on some wards but in the main it was OK and there was unlimited overtime and huge spending on upgrading facilities for online working and a possible second wave. 

You are using healthcare staff as an example of people who haven't suffered during this?

you are aware hospitals have been empty for the last few months 

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Friends of Cummings and other Tories.

Takmon

Nebulous2 said:

I spend much of my time talking to people on the front-line however, who have been dealing with death and devastation for months. It has been a bit of a rollercoaster emotionally, with some dreadfully sad tales, but a lot of humanity in the midst of it. 

In the UK around 620,000 people die each year and Covid19 has been responsible for 41,586 deaths so that's only a 6.7% increase in deaths. I can't see how anyone who works in the NHS and care and are used to seeing people die would be effected much more than usual by a small increase. 

This is probably an unpopular opinion but i think saying people are "suffering" by working in these jobs is quite an exaggeration when this is the role the carry out normally anyway.  

Nebulous2

Takmon said:

Nebulous2 said:

I spend much of my time talking to people on the front-line however, who have been dealing with death and devastation for months. It has been a bit of a rollercoaster emotionally, with some dreadfully sad tales, but a lot of humanity in the midst of it. 

In the UK around 620,000 people die each year and Covid19 has been responsible for 41,586 deaths so that's only a 6.7% increase in deaths. I can't see how anyone who works in the NHS and care and are used to seeing people die would be effected much more than usual by a small increase. 

This is probably an unpopular opinion but i think saying people are "suffering" by working in these jobs is quite an exaggeration when this is the role the carry out normally anyway.  

Your post makes me realise why I don’t normally post about work in this forum, and how spectacularly lacking in compassion some people can be. You’ll note I didn’t use the word ‘suffering’ it’s you who added that in. 

Within a care home a majority of the staff will be young people, particularly women, who often have had no prior exposure to death. They are introduced to that and supported through it, carefully and slowly, at least in the good homes. They often won’t be on shift when it happens, they will be told about it, but won’t see it or have to deal with it, until they are ready. There may well be less than a death a month in people they know and have developed a relationship with. They come into care because they care, in the main, and losing people they have known, often for months, is difficult. 

During the worst period in care homes that shifted. At its peak 30% of staff were sick or isolating. The death rate was 5 times what it would normally be, for 2-3 months. The normal support mechanisms crashed and people with limited experience had to deal with things they wouldn’t normally see.  Seeing deaths that were not what they were used to, and were often particularly difficult wasn’t good. 

They also had to deal with distressed, frustrated and angry relatives. Ones whose family members were dying and they couldn’t see them, ones whose family member had died and they blamed the staff for killing them, ones whose family members were fine, but they didn’t believe that, because they couldn’t see them. 

All the time they were worried about catching it themselves, and occasionally had a colleague who died of coronavirus. 

So yes - coping with all that, while wearing a level of PPE that they weren’t used to, including masks for 12 hours at a time, when some people won’t even wear them in a shop, was demanding. Maybe you weren’t far off when you said ‘suffering.’ 

mattyprice4004

yellow1231231 said:

onwards&upwards said:

Dr_Crypto said:

Healthcare. OK it was tough on some wards but in the main it was OK and there was unlimited overtime and huge spending on upgrading facilities for online working and a possible second wave. 

You are using healthcare staff as an example of people who haven't suffered during this?

you are aware hospitals have been empty for the last few months 

Really? You should tell my local hospital; the wards are as full as ever 

Dr_Crypto

Mine was half empty (at most) April though June. Back to normal now. 

It’s very site dependent so people will have lots of different experiences that seem to contradict each other.
The vast majority of deaths within hospitals were in covid wards and ITU. Actually only a minority of staff worked on those areas.
ITU was certainly though with colleagues devastated that they couldn’t save more patients. 

Thrugelmir

mattyprice4004 said:

yellow1231231 said:

onwards&upwards said:

Dr_Crypto said:

Healthcare. OK it was tough on some wards but in the main it was OK and there was unlimited overtime and huge spending on upgrading facilities for online working and a possible second wave. 

You are using healthcare staff as an example of people who haven't suffered during this?

you are aware hospitals have been empty for the last few months 

Really? You should tell my local hospital; the wards are as full as ever 

mattyprice4004 said:

yellow1231231 said:

onwards&upwards said:

Dr_Crypto said:

Healthcare. OK it was tough on some wards but in the main it was OK and there was unlimited overtime and huge spending on upgrading facilities for online working and a possible second wave. 

You are using healthcare staff as an example of people who haven't suffered during this?

you are aware hospitals have been empty for the last few months 

Really? You should tell my local hospital; the wards are as full as ever 

Many routine treatments have gone by the wayside. The full impact will be felt for months to come. As waiting lists lengthen.

Thrugelmir

Jojocat said: 

Big corporations? Come on, some people MUST be making a whole bunch of ££££ and $$$$. I wonder who that could be. Think, think, think.

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