Does anyone remember when the UK had an economy worth investing in?

short_bread

 Coachman is obviously "with' Bowlhead and making baseless accusations against multiple forum members, whether that means both run by the same user or not I don't know but again, the same pattern of auto-ego-massaging ingratiation.
I have no idea about any of what you are talking about.
I hope that this public call out will lead to a change in your behaviour, because it indicates to me that you are attempting to manipulate the forum into giving you an artificially good reputation. To what ends someone would do this on a forum about money, I can only speculate.
Stop it.

short_bread

Voyager2002 said:

short_bread said:

bowlhead99 said:

I notice your posting style and viewpoints shared within one day of creating your new account (anti- IFA, fan of indexing, preference for investment in the UK market, gold is not an investment, etc etc) are the same as those four closed accounts mentioned above, and though many people may hold those views it does seem quite a coincidence that your history of buying four shares of Tesla for an average of £200 between April 2018 and May 2019 and then selling one earlier this year at ~£800 and another at ~£1200 is the exact same history as tcallaghan93 had told us he had, back in July.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/77418873#Comment_77418873

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/77396666#Comment_77396666
yours:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/77559817#Comment_77559817

You seem eerily obsessed with this, has there been a personal altercation? I think you're a fraud, using this forum and the artificial reputation you have created on it to prey on less financially educated people, or purely to massage your ego.

OK; so when someone calls you out on your rather strange posting history and provides detailed evidence, you resort to a personal attack. Behaviour that is neither mature nor convincing. If you require conflict and drama in your life, get a TV set or even invest in a Netflix subscription, but please do not damage this forum: it is a useful resource for people requiring a bit of help with managing their finances, and the poster you have chosen to attack (Bowlhead) is someone who consistently provides well-informed insights to those who need them.

I don't need this, is this going to carry on or are we allowed to get back to what the forum is supposed to be about? I didn't rejoin after years away for this. It's weird and creepy. I have done nothing to attack Bowlhead as you (another not I guess) baselessly claim, this all started with accusations from Bowlhead.

talexuser

It must be a sad life, worthy of pity more than anything, to have to go to the bother of creating multiple accounts just to congratulate yourself for a bunch of total strangers on an anonymous forum. 

Prism

What I don't understand is how someone with a gold bar stored in a Swiss bank worth over half a million refers to 650 Ocado shares as more than healthy (worth about 15k today) and that they have made a fortune over 10 years on those shares? Surely someone with so much in gold would barely even notice a 14k return over 10 years.

coachman12

Prism said:

What I don't understand is how someone with a gold bar stored in a Swiss bank worth over half a million refers to 650 Ocado shares as more than healthy (worth about 15k today) and that they have made a fortune over 10 years on those shares? Surely someone with so much in gold would barely even notice a 14k return over 10 years.

Yes, there is a lot you cannot understand, Prism----and it is my fault rather than yours. I have so many shares , all handled by a personal wealth manager, that I don't know half of them. But I remember Ocado as being longstanding and , though I quote incorrect figures because I haven't got the time to check through all my advisers' monthly reports and statements. You are quite right of course that shares in any single company are of little monetary value to me in isolation----because inter alia of the stocks of gold and other collectables in Zurich; but there are just some shares I have a sentimental attachment to, and Ocado is one of the few. The fact that I get figures wrong because I dash off premature posts on this Forum rather than consulting reams of paperwork is no reason to belittle the way I have opened up my personal and hitherto private financial background and position.
I'd hoped that my explanation of some of my private life might have been sufficient for some kind posters to cut me a bit of slack.  I still hope so. I have made an enormous gesture by revealing my financial background and position on 5/6 September on this Forum and I still hope that it will eventually result in the peace and harmony that I crave. But please try to remember that , in my position, I cannot be expected to remember how many shares I have in a huge portfolio, let alone what they are worth. Similarly with gold, I know I have one presentation box of 100 KrugerRands and I know I have a very heavy 400 ounce bar of gold, but I have no idea ( without looking it up) how many wafers I possess in the same vault and I could not name all the collectables.
I am hoping you and others might put aside differences in order to see my dilemma in always providing accuracy or by talking about Ocado shares as if they were my only shares just because I have such a soft spot for them-----and I don't even know unless I've just looked how many I have at any one time or what they're worth. 
The fault is mine but it ain't arf a daunting task to go and consult so many detailed reports and summaries before posting----by that time the whole topic would  have moved on and far away.
I look for some understanding of the difficulties my financial position places me in please.

bigadaj

coachman12 said:

Prism said:

What I don't understand is how someone with a gold bar stored in a Swiss bank worth over half a million refers to 650 Ocado shares as more than healthy (worth about 15k today) and that they have made a fortune over 10 years on those shares? Surely someone with so much in gold would barely even notice a 14k return over 10 years.

Yes, there is a lot you cannot understand, Prism----and it is my fault rather than yours. I have so many shares , all handled by a personal wealth manager, that I don't know half of them. But I remember Ocado as being longstanding and , though I quote incorrect figures because I haven't got the time to check through all my advisers' monthly reports and statements. You are quite right of course that shares in any single company are of little monetary value to me in isolation----because inter alia of the stocks of gold and other collectables in Zurich; but there are just some shares I have a sentimental attachment to, and Ocado is one of the few. The fact that I get figures wrong because I dash off premature posts on this Forum rather than consulting reams of paperwork is no reason to belittle the way I have opened up my personal and hitherto private financial background and position.
I'd hoped that my explanation of some of my private life might have been sufficient for some kind posters to cut me a bit of slack.  I still hope so. I have made an enormous gesture by revealing my financial background and position on 5/6 September on this Forum and I still hope that it will eventually result in the peace and harmony that I crave. But please try to remember that , in my position, I cannot be expected to remember how many shares I have in a huge portfolio, let alone what they are worth. Similarly with gold, I know I have one presentation box of 100 KrugerRands and I know I have a very heavy 400 ounce bar of gold, but I have no idea ( without looking it up) how many wafers I possess in the same vault and I could not name all the collectables.
I am hoping you and others might put aside differences in order to see my dilemma in always providing accuracy or by talking about Ocado shares as if they were my only shares just because I have such a soft spot for them-----and I don't even know unless I've just looked how many I have at any one time or what they're worth. 
The fault is mine but it ain't arf a daunting task to go and consult so many detailed reports and summaries before posting----by that time the whole topic would  have moved on and far away.
I look for some understanding of the difficulties my financial position places me in please.

That's quite an impressive mea culpa, even after so many postings boasting of being 'considerably richer than yow'. Though the excuse that I'm obviously so rich that I can't recall the details of all the money and investments, gold, frankincense, myrrh etc is an interesting approach, could you pay for some of your advisors and wealth managers to post the exact details on here to provide further information possibly? 

coachman12

Thank you bigadaj. I tried and expected flexibility to take into account my "peculiar" circumstances; and I really hoped for some understanding now that I had given away such very personal information as a sign of good faith. Ah well, you can feel as you want to-----
I know that I do. Good luck.

thegentleway

You seek understanding about being obscenely wealthy through not fault of your own? So wealthy you can't keep track. Not sure that's really a very personal revelation or that a forum of money savers is the best place to look for understanding as I can't imagine there are many here who can relate...
All I can say is that you can give your wealth away if it's causing you too many problems and that if you're kind, the law of reciprocity tend to make people be kind back to you.

Voyager2002

thegentleway said:

You seek understanding about being obscenely wealthy through not fault of your own? So wealthy you can't keep track. Not sure that's really a very personal revelation or that a forum of money savers is the best place to look for understanding as I can't imagine there are many here who can relate...
All I can say is that you can give your wealth away if it's causing you too many problems and that if you're kind, the law of reciprocity tend to make people be kind back to you.

Yes, absolutely. My bank account is ...

bowlhead99

thegentleway said:

You seek understanding about being obscenely wealthy through not fault of your own? So wealthy you can't keep track. Not sure that's really a very personal revelation or that a forum of money savers is the best place to look for understanding as I can't imagine there are many here who can relate...

I'm not obscenely wealthy, but if I did have a large discretionary managed portfolio and someone had created a new user account just to criticise me for the inconsistency that on one thread I had mentioned having invested in Ocado a decade ago at about "150 ish" a share while on another thread I had said my early investments were "about 170" pence a share (the residual holding now valued at over 2300p per share), I would probably be inclined to tell that troll and anyone else who was listening that I have a lot of holdings, don't manage them on a hands on basis, and was only giving rough numbers based on numbers I remember seeing a decade ago, so they should give up their trolling. 

If someone then replied with a tongue-in-cheek suggestion that I engage my finance manager to write a report to satisfy the baying mob, I would probably reply in similarly casual fashion that perhaps the mob - while not knowing much about how it is to be accidentally very rich - could at least comprehend the circumstances and cut me some slack. Presumably you don't need to actually be independently wealthy to be able to imagine that if you were independently wealthy and had a discretionary stocks manager looking after the portfolio, you will not perpetually have in your head the fine detail of exactly what you hold, or all the dates, quantities and prices from a decade ago (unlike someone who bought four Tesla shares a couple of years ago and sells a couple in recent months).

Anyway, this thread had been a rollicking good read even if most of us did not learn much about the highly important subject posed by the OP: whether anyone remembers when the UK had an economy worth investing in.  I hope no-one feels the need to 'get back on topic'