TUI return flight from Zante - all passengers to self isolate

bradders1983

Pollycat said:

bradders1983 said:

To be fair, NOBODY on the flight legally has to. They are being asked to. No law has been invoked to force them as far as I am aware and as it stands at 9.35am this morning Greece remains on the OK list for all parts of the UK.

The information on GOV.UK is clear (this is for England):

Coronavirus (COVID-19): how to self-isolate when you travel to the UK

When you arrive in the UK, you will not be allowed to leave the place where you’re staying for the first 14 days you’re in the UK (known as ‘self-isolating’) unless you’re arriving from an exempt country.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk

Policing it is of course something entirely different.

Greece isnt on the list, that is the point. So this Zante flight one is merely a request. 

cubegame

Pollycat said:

bradders1983 said:

To be fair, NOBODY on the flight legally has to. They are being asked to. No law has been invoked to force them as far as I am aware and as it stands at 9.35am this morning Greece remains on the OK list for all parts of the UK.

The information on GOV.UK is clear (this is for England):

Coronavirus (COVID-19): how to self-isolate when you travel to the UK

When you arrive in the UK, you will not be allowed to leave the place where you’re staying for the first 14 days you’re in the UK (known as ‘self-isolating’) unless you’re arriving from an exempt country.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk

Policing it is of course something entirely different.

Having been on a number of flights coming back to the UK it seems like they have no method of policing anyway. Not one single form is actually being properly checked as the UK Border Force don't have the equipment.

The first edition of the form was just a list of the information provided and they did not correlate to passport number. The latest edition has a QR code which contains a summary of the form. Passport officers will only give a cursory glance at the form so you can happily fill out what you want.

NoodleDoodleMan

"There's usually more than one side to a story... "

Indeed - and some of those who volunteer to provide the media with information would be hard pressed to be reliable witnesses.

Also, certain elements of the UK newspaper industry tend to publish only what suits their agenda, rather than be objective.

Pollycat

bradders1983 said:

Greece isnt on the list, that is the point. So this Zante flight one is merely a request. 

Apologies.

I thought you were talking about flights generally rather than this specific one.

silvercar

cubegame said:

Pollycat said:

bradders1983 said:

To be fair, NOBODY on the flight legally has to. They are being asked to. No law has been invoked to force them as far as I am aware and as it stands at 9.35am this morning Greece remains on the OK list for all parts of the UK.

The information on GOV.UK is clear (this is for England):

Coronavirus (COVID-19): how to self-isolate when you travel to the UK

When you arrive in the UK, you will not be allowed to leave the place where you’re staying for the first 14 days you’re in the UK (known as ‘self-isolating’) unless you’re arriving from an exempt country.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk

Policing it is of course something entirely different.

Having been on a number of flights coming back to the UK it seems like they have no method of policing anyway. Not one single form is actually being properly checked as the UK Border Force don't have the equipment.

The first edition of the form was just a list of the information provided and they did not correlate to passport number. The latest edition has a QR code which contains a summary of the form. Passport officers will only give a cursory glance at the form so you can happily fill out what you want.

Forms are submitted online, whether or not anyone looks at the form at the airport. So you could be contacted based on the information submitted at any time after your flight. The form is detailed, as well as passport number you give your flight details including seat number.
how honestly you complete the list of places you’ve visited is up to you and isn’t verified, but if you have been submitting your mobile number to local restaurants abroad (often a requirement now) and there was a miss match with the data you provided, you risk being caught. The chances of your information being checked are that much higher if you do end up with coronavirus.

bradders1983

silvercar said:

cubegame said:

Pollycat said:

bradders1983 said:

To be fair, NOBODY on the flight legally has to. They are being asked to. No law has been invoked to force them as far as I am aware and as it stands at 9.35am this morning Greece remains on the OK list for all parts of the UK.

The information on GOV.UK is clear (this is for England):

Coronavirus (COVID-19): how to self-isolate when you travel to the UK

When you arrive in the UK, you will not be allowed to leave the place where you’re staying for the first 14 days you’re in the UK (known as ‘self-isolating’) unless you’re arriving from an exempt country.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk/coronavirus-covid-19-how-to-self-isolate-when-you-travel-to-the-uk

Policing it is of course something entirely different.

Having been on a number of flights coming back to the UK it seems like they have no method of policing anyway. Not one single form is actually being properly checked as the UK Border Force don't have the equipment.

The first edition of the form was just a list of the information provided and they did not correlate to passport number. The latest edition has a QR code which contains a summary of the form. Passport officers will only give a cursory glance at the form so you can happily fill out what you want.

Forms are submitted online, whether or not anyone looks at the form at the airport. So you could be contacted based on the information submitted at any time after your flight. The form is detailed, as well as passport number you give your flight details including seat number.
how honestly you complete the list of places you’ve visited is up to you and isn’t verified, but if you have been submitting your mobile number to local restaurants abroad (often a requirement now) and there was a miss match with the data you provided, you risk being caught. The chances of your information being checked are that much higher if you do end up with coronavirus.

Please tell us which law allows restaurants to routinely share mobile phone data with governments of other countries?

TELLIT01

Pollycat said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53984808

There's usually more than one side to a story...

Generally at least 3 versions - those of the protagonists and the whole truth.

bradders1983

Well today is Thursday, and the day they usually decide what countries go on, and come off, the list.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1139048/coronavirus-case-rates-in-the-past-7-days-in-europe-by-country/

With Greece, the Government are probably in a no-win situation. Put Greece back on, and there will be uproar as the rate there is LOWER than the UK. Just put Zante on the list, and there will be uproar that they can now suddenly put regions of countries on/off the list when they seemingly were unable to before for the Canaries, Madeira etc.

Westin

I find it strange that our Government leaders can segment and ring-fence certain areas of the UK for extra restrictions when CV19 cases are high and it suits their messaging (like Bolton, Bradford etc) yet seem to think a different approach is necessary for overseas.  

Apart from just being inept and lazy officialdom, why could Zante not be separated from Crete, Corfu, Rhodes etc?  Why not separate the Canary Islands and Balearic Islands from the northern part of Spain?  Why should the whole of Portugal go back on to the quarantine list when the issue is in and around Lisbon and the north of the country with the Algarve and Maderia having much lower case numbers than the UK as a whole?

bradders1983

Westin said:

I find it strange that our Government leaders can segment and ring-fence certain areas of the UK for extra restrictions when CV19 cases are high and it suits their messaging (like Bolton, Bradford etc) yet seem to think a different approach is necessary for overseas.  

Apart from just being inept and lazy officialdom, why could Zante not be separated from Crete, Corfu, Rhodes etc?  Why not separate the Canary Islands and Balearic Islands from the northern part of Spain?  Why should the whole of Portugal go back on to the quarantine list when the issue is in and around Lisbon and the north of the country with the Algarve and Maderia having much lower case numbers than the UK as a whole?

Exactly the issue, so if they only put Zante on the list later it would show that approach of the last few weeks to be a total farce, holidays to the Canaries could have carried on (although no idea what case numbers are like there now, they were exceedingly low there when Spain went back on the list)