Traffic lights and box junctions

Supersonos

MinuteNoodles said:

Car_54 said:

MinuteNoodles said:

Green does not mean go regardless. Green means "only go if your exit is clear." It isn't clear therefore you don't cross the stop line. Simples. 

That is not what the Highway Code says - there is no mention of exits.

The relevant law is "... the green signal shall indicate that vehicular traffic may proceed beyond the stop line and proceed straight on or to the left or to the right".

But not crossing the stop line until your exit is clear IS WHAT YOU ARE TAUGHT WHEN YOU LEARN TO DRIVE 

It's not what I was taught, nor how I understand traffic lights to work.  Traffic lights don't have an "exit" so your comment doesn't make any sense.

If the light is red, stop behind the stop line.  When the light goes green, you may proceed if clear.  I've never heard anything about only proceeding past the stop line if your exit is clear.  Exit from what?

Scrapit

Supersonos said:

MinuteNoodles said:

Car_54 said:

MinuteNoodles said:

Green does not mean go regardless. Green means "only go if your exit is clear." It isn't clear therefore you don't cross the stop line. Simples. 

That is not what the Highway Code says - there is no mention of exits.

The relevant law is "... the green signal shall indicate that vehicular traffic may proceed beyond the stop line and proceed straight on or to the left or to the right".

But not crossing the stop line until your exit is clear IS WHAT YOU ARE TAUGHT WHEN YOU LEARN TO DRIVE 

It's not what I was taught, nor how I understand traffic lights to work.  Traffic lights don't have an "exit" so your comment doesn't make any sense.

If the light is red, stop behind the stop line.  When the light goes green, you may proceed if clear.  I've never heard anything about only proceeding past the stop line if your exit is clear.  Exit from what?

The box junction, obviously.

Ectophile

Supersonos said:

MinuteNoodles said:

Car_54 said:

MinuteNoodles said:

Green does not mean go regardless. Green means "only go if your exit is clear." It isn't clear therefore you don't cross the stop line. Simples. 

That is not what the Highway Code says - there is no mention of exits.

The relevant law is "... the green signal shall indicate that vehicular traffic may proceed beyond the stop line and proceed straight on or to the left or to the right".

But not crossing the stop line until your exit is clear IS WHAT YOU ARE TAUGHT WHEN YOU LEARN TO DRIVE 

It's not what I was taught, nor how I understand traffic lights to work.  Traffic lights don't have an "exit" so your comment doesn't make any sense.

If the light is red, stop behind the stop line.  When the light goes green, you may proceed if clear.  I've never heard anything about only proceeding past the stop line if your exit is clear.  Exit from what?

Highway code section 152 says: "Only go forward when the traffic lights are green if there is room for you to clear the junction safely or you are taking up a position to turn right."  That's more-or-less the same thing.

Car_54

Ectophile said:

Supersonos said:

MinuteNoodles said:

Car_54 said:

MinuteNoodles said:

Green does not mean go regardless. Green means "only go if your exit is clear." It isn't clear therefore you don't cross the stop line. Simples. 

That is not what the Highway Code says - there is no mention of exits.

The relevant law is "... the green signal shall indicate that vehicular traffic may proceed beyond the stop line and proceed straight on or to the left or to the right".

But not crossing the stop line until your exit is clear IS WHAT YOU ARE TAUGHT WHEN YOU LEARN TO DRIVE 

It's not what I was taught, nor how I understand traffic lights to work.  Traffic lights don't have an "exit" so your comment doesn't make any sense.

If the light is red, stop behind the stop line.  When the light goes green, you may proceed if clear.  I've never heard anything about only proceeding past the stop line if your exit is clear.  Exit from what?

Highway code section 152 says: "Only go forward when the traffic lights are green if there is room for you to clear the junction safely or you are taking up a position to turn right."  That's more-or-less the same thing.

176, not 152.

Ectophile

Car_54 said:

Ectophile said:

Supersonos said:

MinuteNoodles said:

Car_54 said:

MinuteNoodles said:

Green does not mean go regardless. Green means "only go if your exit is clear." It isn't clear therefore you don't cross the stop line. Simples. 

That is not what the Highway Code says - there is no mention of exits.

The relevant law is "... the green signal shall indicate that vehicular traffic may proceed beyond the stop line and proceed straight on or to the left or to the right".

But not crossing the stop line until your exit is clear IS WHAT YOU ARE TAUGHT WHEN YOU LEARN TO DRIVE 

It's not what I was taught, nor how I understand traffic lights to work.  Traffic lights don't have an "exit" so your comment doesn't make any sense.

If the light is red, stop behind the stop line.  When the light goes green, you may proceed if clear.  I've never heard anything about only proceeding past the stop line if your exit is clear.  Exit from what?

Highway code section 152 says: "Only go forward when the traffic lights are green if there is room for you to clear the junction safely or you are taking up a position to turn right."  That's more-or-less the same thing.

176, not 152.

They must have renumbered them.  I'm looking at the 2004 edition.

AdrianC

Ectophile said:

Car_54 said:

Ectophile said:

Highway code section 152 says: "Only go forward when the traffic lights are green if there is room for you to clear the junction safely or you are taking up a position to turn right."  That's more-or-less the same thing.

176, not 152.

They must have renumbered them.  I'm looking at the 2004 edition.

Yes, the last decade and a half has seen updates... Who would have guessed?

Current version:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code

MinuteNoodles

Supersonos said:

MinuteNoodles said:

But not crossing the stop line until your exit is clear IS WHAT YOU ARE TAUGHT WHEN YOU LEARN TO DRIVE 

It's not what I was taught, nor how I understand traffic lights to work.  Traffic lights don't have an "exit" so your comment doesn't make any sense.

Of course they do. Traffic lights control traffic at a junction. The exit is the other side of that junction, whether it be the road you're turning left or right into or the road you're on at the other side of the crossroads. Those are the exits. If you cannot clear the area the other side of the traffic lights on each approach then you shouldn't cross the line.

Car_54

MinuteNoodles said:

Supersonos said:

MinuteNoodles said:

But not crossing the stop line until your exit is clear IS WHAT YOU ARE TAUGHT WHEN YOU LEARN TO DRIVE 

It's not what I was taught, nor how I understand traffic lights to work.  Traffic lights don't have an "exit" so your comment doesn't make any sense.

Of course they do. Traffic lights control traffic at a junction. The exit is the other side of that junction, whether it be the road you're turning left or right into or the road you're on at the other side of the crossroads. Those are the exits. If you cannot clear the area the other side of the traffic lights on each approach then you shouldn't cross the line.

Unless, as the HC says,  "... you are taking up a position to turn right".