Home extension advice - kitchen, side or rear two storey

FreeBear

I'd suggest moving the bathroom to where you have the fourth bedroom - This would reduce any drainage to a minimum... One solution to the side access problem is to build over and have a passageway. You lose on floor space on the ground floor, but get to have the extra width upstairs.

Parties03

FreeBear said:

I'd suggest moving the bathroom to where you have the fourth bedroom - This would reduce any drainage to a minimum... One solution to the side access problem is to build over and have a passageway. You lose on floor space on the ground floor, but get to have the extra width upstairs.

Oooo is this a thing? so do you mean when you look at the house front on, the upstairs would be wider than the downstairs? that would be perfect! And we could probably go right up to the border too if we pulled it back from the front a little to avoid the "terracing" look which Ive been reading is a way to ensure PP. 

DevilDamo

For any two storey side extensions, check your LPA’s policies and guidance on subservience as this can impact your floor space quite considerably.

Rosa_Damascena

king132 said:

A lot of expense for not a lot of space in my opinion for the side extension. 3m-3.5m from existing wall to boundary. Minus at least 1-1.5m space for fence panels (whatever the boundary is) and footpath from boundary to wall. Minus around 400mm for brick/block/ insulation and plastering. Then you are left with maybe 1m-1.5m width internal space. Add pipework and a washing machine into that space and you've just got enough space to walk through.

My en-suite is 1m in width and it doesn't accommodate a lot of wriggle room. The toilet extends out 600mm from the wall so I can imagine anyone over 6' would find their knees around their ears trying to use it! 

Parties03

DevilDamo said:

For any two storey side extensions, check your LPA’s policies and guidance on subservience as this can impact your floor space quite considerably.

I wasn’t sure what any of this meant haha so I googled it and this great document came up https://www.hertsmere.gov.uk/Documents/09-Planning--Building-Control/Planning-Policy/Planning-Publications/Design-Guide-Nov-06-Part-E.pdf

its not where I live but it does provide quite a lot of useful advice about planning a 2 storey side extension - in fact the house to the extension side is staggered and sits a few metres in front of the one we want to extend. So this sounds like we may be able to have it full width at the front but may need to have it shorter at the back to keep out of the 45o eye line. 

Parties03

I was having a nosey on the planning website last night and I found the house we want to buy, had planning permission declined in 2003. They wanted to do a 2 storey side extension, but the roof design was higher than original and reasons for declining were:
loss of light (there’s no windows on the neighbours wall on this side) 
Imposing structure of roof

how likely is it to have a similar proposal put forward (amendments for obvious things like the roof height) for us 13/14 years on and have it accepted? 

DevilDamo

Each LPA will have different but similar guidance on set backs from original front walls, set downs form original ridge lines and set aways from side boundaries so it’s imperative that you check the guidance for your authority (or the one in which the house is located).

If a new application is submitted that addresses the previous reasons for refusal, there would obviously more chance of securing approval. Unless of course the Council’s Planning policies have changed (for the better or worse) in the interim.

Parties03

DevilDamo said:

Each LPA will have different but similar guidance on set backs from original front walls, set downs form original ridge lines and set aways from side boundaries so it’s imperative that you check the guidance for your authority (or the one in which the house is located).

If a new application is submitted that addresses the previous reasons for refusal, there would obviously more chance of securing approval. Unless of course the Council’s Planning policies have changed (for the better or worse) in the interim.

Makes sense, annoyingly can’t find anything quite as detailed for where we are (Norwich) but at least we have the rejection of the last application to go off. Which is actually 17 years old, I just can’t add! 

Found the objections from the neighbours who still live there I think:
- garage roof needing to be shingle to keep noise level down
- concern of overhang reducing light into the garden in the early day and proximity to shared boundary line 

hmm

FreeBear

Parties03 said: Makes sense, annoyingly can’t find anything quite as detailed for where we are (Norwich) but at least we have the rejection of the last application to go off.

The Norwich area is covered by three (four ?) different local authorities, but plenty of extensions have been done across the city. Some could provide ideas on what is possible - Policies and views on development have changed over the last 15-20 years, so what was refused then may well be accepted today.

Parties03

The Norwich area is covered by three (four ?) different local authorities, but plenty of extensions have been done across the city. Some could provide ideas on what is possible - Policies and views on development have changed over the last 15-20 years, so what was refused then may well 

Seems that this house comes under Norwich city council, hopefully as you say rules have become less strict. 

The same area, two roads over there is an bungalow being converted into a 7bed house as we speak.... you’d think if that’s allowed anything could be hahha