How to report someone breaching travel quarantine

eskbanker

SevenOfNine said:

eskbanker said:

SevenOfNine said:

Personally, I'm sick & tired of complying when all this is allowed to continue regardless. So shortly we're going on a pre C-19 arranged overnight stay to Manchester 3 hours from where we live. We'll be in a hotel overnight with our Mancunian grandchildren while their parents celebrate an occasion on their own for the day/night. Then we'll drop them back at theirs in the morning & make our way home.

When we get back we'll be mindful as we have been until now, but I'm done with this full on protection of others.  I've watched arrogance & selfishness every time we've gone out, masked, sanitising & social distancing, while others simply don't bother. So we protect them & they couldn't give a stuff about us.  We'll be 72 & 66 when we go, & I am the main visitor for my 93 year old mother - but I'm so sick & tired of others & enough is enough.

So you're rationalising your selfishness by asserting that others are doing the same thing?  I'd have thought that most grandparents of your vintage would have been brought up on sayings like 'two wrongs don't make a right'....

No, I'm not attempting to rationalise my decision, & it wasn't my intention to give the impression I was.  I'm going to do exactly as I please, have not kept it secret, & if stopped by the Police I'll tell them exactly where we're going (or where we've been) & why. We can even be track & traced through the hotel booking (I think).

I'm absolutely going to be selfish & self centered, couldn't give a stuff about "2 wrongs". I'll live with my own conscience & sleep at night.

Just to be clear, it wasn't specifically the blatant insouciant shamelessness I was picking up on, but the rank hypocrisy of choosing to do exactly what you criticise others for!

SevenOfNine

eskbanker said:

SevenOfNine said:

eskbanker said:

SevenOfNine said:

Personally, I'm sick & tired of complying when all this is allowed to continue regardless. So shortly we're going on a pre C-19 arranged overnight stay to Manchester 3 hours from where we live. We'll be in a hotel overnight with our Mancunian grandchildren while their parents celebrate an occasion on their own for the day/night. Then we'll drop them back at theirs in the morning & make our way home.

When we get back we'll be mindful as we have been until now, but I'm done with this full on protection of others.  I've watched arrogance & selfishness every time we've gone out, masked, sanitising & social distancing, while others simply don't bother. So we protect them & they couldn't give a stuff about us.  We'll be 72 & 66 when we go, & I am the main visitor for my 93 year old mother - but I'm so sick & tired of others & enough is enough.

So you're rationalising your selfishness by asserting that others are doing the same thing?  I'd have thought that most grandparents of your vintage would have been brought up on sayings like 'two wrongs don't make a right'....

No, I'm not attempting to rationalise my decision, & it wasn't my intention to give the impression I was.  I'm going to do exactly as I please, have not kept it secret, & if stopped by the Police I'll tell them exactly where we're going (or where we've been) & why. We can even be track & traced through the hotel booking (I think).

I'm absolutely going to be selfish & self centered, couldn't give a stuff about "2 wrongs". I'll live with my own conscience & sleep at night.

Just to be clear, it wasn't specifically the blatant insouciant shamelessness I was picking up on, but the rank hypocrisy of choosing to do exactly what you criticise others for!

............and to be equally as clear, I wasn't 'choosing to DO', I am choosing NOT TO CANCEL arrangements that were made BEFORE the first case of C-19 was recorded in UK, BEFORE China even admitted they had it. Arrangements made & hotels booked 11 months ago.

I don't believe I've "criticised" others, I have pointed out MASS GATHERINGS allowed to go ahead unchallenged from the height of UK lockdown & continuing, I can't see anywhere I've given the impression I'm planning a protest march, a rave, a street party or visit the closest beach, with thousands of strangers deliberately packed together. Pointed out with more of a sigh, a shrug & a 'what on earth is the point', because there's no point, following the 'rules' is futile.

If I wanted to be hypocritical with a 'good enough for them so I'm going to do it', I'd have long since been roaming the countryside or attending small gatherings when they were banned & using as my 'excuse' the following: Dominic Cummings, Stephen Kinnock, Tahir Ali, Lynnie Hinnigan, Rosie Duffield, Tony Lloyd, Barry Gardiner, Peter Soulsbury, Tahir Malik, Wahir Akbar, Asif Masood & Ian Blackford.  MPs, Councillors & DC (an adviser who, at the time, should just have known better). 

All individuals who featured large on social media for failing to follow the rules, but I definitely don't need them as my 'excuse', because I don't need an 'excuse' & couldn't care less what they chose to do (not then & not now), which is why I'm not bothering to try to justify continuing with my plans, merely stating I'm doing so & commenting to those who are unsure whether it's the right thing to do to report those who they know to be breaking lockdown, isolation or quarantine rules, to do whatever they feel they should do.  As should those who know my plans, I'd think no worse of them for doing their civic duty if they so wish.

luckylucy1977

I apologise but I have 1 more question. Do the quarantine rules apply to kids under 16 when returning from Spain as well or is it adults only. My neighbour has also had enough as their children were out last night playing with other children on the road and he would like to say something to the parents before reporting them but he is thinking that they are under 16 so they might be allowed. 

Sorry, I am honestly not being a curtain twitcher. I let everyone live there own life and let people get on with whatever they are up to unless there is a danger to life. But having know first hand what this virus can do and how easily it can be spread I can’t just sit back. I have reported them now but my neighbour is not sure on whether the rules apply to youngsters.

Mrsn

If you have to self isolate in this country then it is usually children included in that. It certainly included our children for the 2 weeks when my husband had the virus, I can’t see it being different in my
opinion.

blindman

luckylucy1977 said:

I apologise but I have 1 more question. Do the quarantine rules apply to kids under 16 when returning from Spain as well or is it adults only. My neighbour has also had enough as their children were out last night playing with other children on the road and he would like to say something to the parents before reporting them but he is thinking that they are under 16 so they might be allowed. 

Sorry, I am honestly not being a curtain twitcher. I let everyone live there own life and let people get on with whatever they are up to unless there is a danger to life. But having know first hand what this virus can do and how easily it can be spread I can’t just sit back. I have reported them now but my neighbour is not sure on whether the rules apply to youngsters.

There are lots of exemptions as to who do not have to self isolate, though children are not mentioned so I would say they have to.

silvercar

From here: 

"You are not allowed to change the place where you are self-isolating except in very limited circumstances, including where:

• a legal obligation requires you to change address, such as where you are a child whose parents live separately, and you need to move between homes as part of a shared custody agreement"