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brook2jack do you agree that dentistry and oral health should have just been given up on though? I understand that it was hard for individual dentists (my own has expressed their frustration, a small NHS practice) but why were the professional organisations and those at the top not campaigning to be able to help their patients? Why are they still not?
Do you think its ok that dentistry is still not happening in this country? That people are losing teeth they didn't need to lose or being left in pain? That this is hitting the most disadvantaged in the country hardest as poor oral health is strongly linked to poverty? That oral cancers and other complications of poor dental health will definitely have been missed?
I can't work out if you are trying to say that its ok that an absolutely vital element of health care has just stopped happening since March, or if you're defending individual dentists who wanted to continue to provide care but couldn't.0 -
Those at the top of dentistry and all through the layers of dentistry are campaigning, have been since the start of the corona virus. Google and you will find thousands of newspaper articles. Locally to us there have been dozens of meetings , none of which have achieved anything because dentistry and oral health does not politically appear on the map.When problems occur it is easy for everyone to blame "greedy dentists" and the real problems of decades of chronic underfunding and ignoring oral health go untackled yet again.The U.K. is by far the most heavily regulated dental profession, they are by far , internationally the most likely to be sued. The U.K. corona restrictions imposed by government on dentistry are by a long chalk the most onerous with the exception, possibly, of Canada . All of this has been protested by U.K. dentists and dental organisations but like with the allocation of PPE dentistry does not appear on the political radar .However the story of dentistry in this country is it has never really been part of the health service financially , organisationally or politically , it is very small fish and so long as the public continues to vent their anger on individual practices and practitioners ,who have no control or choice over what they do , rather than on local health authorities and government who have the power and finances, nothing will change except more and more practices will close and dentistry will be even harder to access.The people who can change things are the public who need to recognise that they need to complain, write letters etc but directed at those who hold the purse strings and power not those who cannot change things and only work in the system.3
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brook2jack2 said:onwards&upwards said:ripplyuk said:By law the staff have to have the fp3 masks off at least every hour as oxygen levels drop and people overheat in the PPE .@brook2jack I thought that was a myth! I was wearing an FFP3 mask for 6 hours on Friday, without a break. Was that dangerous? I didn’t notice any ill effects but I don’t want to be depriving myself of oxygen.
also as dentists have to wear a surgical mask over valved FFP3 Masks hence negating the ease of breathing out oxygen sats drop pretty quickly .1 -
ripplyuk said:brook2jack2 said:onwards&upwards said:ripplyuk said:By law the staff have to have the fp3 masks off at least every hour as oxygen levels drop and people overheat in the PPE .@brook2jack I thought that was a myth! I was wearing an FFP3 mask for 6 hours on Friday, without a break. Was that dangerous? I didn’t notice any ill effects but I don’t want to be depriving myself of oxygen.
also as dentists have to wear a surgical mask over valved FFP3 Masks hence negating the ease of breathing out oxygen sats drop pretty quickly .I'm a Forum Ambassador on the housing, mortgages & student money saving boards. I volunteer to help get your forum questions answered and keep the forum running smoothly. Forum Ambassadors are not moderators and don't read every post. If you spot an illegal or inappropriate post then please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com (it's not part of my role to deal with this). Any views are mine and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.com.0 -
brook2jack2 said:dcweather said:Can this be got back on topic! The OP, like me, wants to know what their rights are in terms of a rebate for paid for dental plans that were not and could not have been carried out due to being closed or restricted. In my case this would have been two free hygiene visits and an inspection. I have now paid almost 6 months of premiums for services and benefits which could not be met. Presumably the staff were furloughed and the practice got some compensation so where is mine?If a practice had nhs commitment it could not furlough staff.
Dental surgeries got less Financial help than betting shops as they could not claim many of the grants such as rate rebates .Subscriptions is all that has kept many practices from going under and they will be working extra hours and days to clear the backlog of treatment.I hadn't been aware that Dentists' practices were so close to the breadline....I'm struggling to think of another example where a service could be withdrawn while payment was still being taken.
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As said earlier in the thread dentists and hygienists are self employed so couldn't go on furlough , if their earnings were above £50,000 they could not get a self employment grant.
I'm surprised most hygienists earn over £50k. In my experience a lot work part-time, even on full time earnings I am surprised that they generally earn that well.
Given that dentists have the running costs of a practice, hygienists earning over £50k must often have more take home pay than the dentists that contract them.
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brook2jack2 said:Dental practices wouldn't need anything like the huge numbers of masks that hospitals need.
Care homes, hospices and small private providers have managed to source PPE.
Oral health is health, it matters.Our practice put in orders for our usual PPE in February and those orders have still not been fulfilled. Most PPE was ring fenced for nhs use and dentists, as independent contractors , were not in that supply chain.2 -
anotherbob said:brook2jack2 said:dcweather said:Can this be got back on topic! The OP, like me, wants to know what their rights are in terms of a rebate for paid for dental plans that were not and could not have been carried out due to being closed or restricted. In my case this would have been two free hygiene visits and an inspection. I have now paid almost 6 months of premiums for services and benefits which could not be met. Presumably the staff were furloughed and the practice got some compensation so where is mine?If a practice had nhs commitment it could not furlough staff.
Dental surgeries got less Financial help than betting shops as they could not claim many of the grants such as rate rebates .Subscriptions is all that has kept many practices from going under and they will be working extra hours and days to clear the backlog of treatment.I'm struggling to think of another example where a service could be withdrawn while payment was still being taken.
How do you actually pay Denplan? If you paid for service using Visa or Mastercard and it wasn't delivered then you may be able to make a chargeback if Denplan don't compensate you.1 -
brook2jack2 said:dcweather said:Can this be got back on topic! The OP, like me, wants to know what their rights are in terms of a rebate for paid for dental plans that were not and could not have been carried out due to being closed or restricted. In my case this would have been two free hygiene visits and an inspection. I have now paid almost 6 months of premiums for services and benefits which could not be met. Presumably the staff were furloughed and the practice got some compensation so where is mine?If a practice had nhs commitment it could not furlough staff.0
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epm-84 said:anotherbob said:brook2jack2 said:dcweather said:Can this be got back on topic! The OP, like me, wants to know what their rights are in terms of a rebate for paid for dental plans that were not and could not have been carried out due to being closed or restricted. In my case this would have been two free hygiene visits and an inspection. I have now paid almost 6 months of premiums for services and benefits which could not be met. Presumably the staff were furloughed and the practice got some compensation so where is mine?If a practice had nhs commitment it could not furlough staff.
Dental surgeries got less Financial help than betting shops as they could not claim many of the grants such as rate rebates .Subscriptions is all that has kept many practices from going under and they will be working extra hours and days to clear the backlog of treatment.I'm struggling to think of another example where a service could be withdrawn while payment was still being taken.
How do you actually pay Denplan? If you paid for service using Visa or Mastercard and it wasn't delivered then you may be able to make a chargeback if Denplan don't compensate you.
This is what Denplan's website says...
https://www.denplan.co.uk/coronavirus/faqs
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