Ingenious Legal

I replied to a thread here, rather than start a new topic.  My apologies if that is frowned on, but as I don't want to get it wrong either way I posed the question at the bottom of this thread:  https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6170324/ppi-fee#latest
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  • MovingForwards
    MovingForwards Posts: 16,898 Forumite
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    To save people clicking through to read it:


    Not the longest ever thread resurrection, but I have been involved with this firm for about 4-5 weeks, now.

    I (fully) accept that I went onto their site (via a link via Facebook).  I did begin to complete the form, including giving an email address, a few of the accounts I had had (be they loans, credit cards, or accounts).  However, I decided not to continue and I did not sign anything (difficult to do anyway on a smart phone, no matter how smart [to actually do your signature on a line, that is]).  This is all from August last year.

    Now, in my mind (which perhaps is flawed and is why I am here asking), crucially nothing came to my home address within the 14 day period (something I will come back to) and so I was surprised when, as I mentioned, I received an email from Ingenious saying that I should shortly hear from a number of the firms they had written to 'on my behalf'.

    I emailed back and mentioned that whilst I had been to their site, I remained adamant that having a) not signed anything at the time (I liken it to an abandoned sale on Amazon.  You browse for an item, put it in your 'shopping basket' but then don't complete the order), and since I had not had anything in writing offering me a 14 day 'cooling off' period, I stated that I had no relationship with them.

    Now, three things have happened.
    1)They sent me a cheque being the balance (minus their  'fee') from one loan provider for PPI - to which I emailed them back and (again) stated I had no relationship with them and that I wanted to begin a complaints procedure.  

    2) They provided a set of documents and a statement which confirmed (and which I do not deny), that I went on their site and agreed to them providing me a service.  However, (and I believe), crucially - they also provided two forms with supposedly my signature on.

    Now, would not be (I am sure) the first to say that is not my signature - but it isn't.  It looks like the modern day equivalent of an 'X' - and given my signature is a fairly legible form of my full name, the two are definitely 'chalk and cheese'.

    3) Having received a cheque from another company with whom I had a credit card I have also received an email from a debt recovery firm. 

    So Ingenious appear to have ignored their own process for investigating a complaint and moved straight to the strong arm tactic of employing a debt recovery firm.

    A long first post - so my apologies - but worth the fight, or accept I have had some extra money and should expect to give some of it away?

    Thank you!
    Mortgage started 2020, aiming to clear it in 2026.
  • -taff
    -taff Posts: 14,461 Forumite
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    If they had the authority to act on your behalf, your cheques for redress would have been sent to you, not to them. The usual is that you pay them out of your redress, not they pay you after their cut is taken. WHo was this cheque supposedly from?
    Well, you need to check the T&Cs on their site [ intenet wayback machine will help there probably] and see what ti was you actually agreed to. If you sill think you didn't, you complain to them, and then to the ombudsman after that. However, be aware, that if they did tell you in the small print that filling the forms in was a digital signature etc, you haven't got a leg to stand on and should pay them before they add more to your debt.
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  • Johnv156
    Johnv156 Posts: 8 Forumite
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    Taff, firstly, thank you for replying.
    I would argue that Ingenious Legal never had the authority to act on my behalf.  Going through a form and then abandoning it prior to making any commitment seems to remove me from having agreed to them acting on my behalf.  I would add that until I received an email notifying that they were progressing some claims (I received the email in early June), I had no idea that they were pursuing anyone.  I certainly never had any paperwork prior to the email suggesting I had (what I believe to be) the 14 days to consider my options. i.e. a 'cooling off' period - so 14 days following my supposed 'signing their online form'
    I have complained to them, they sent me a load of guff, plus a form with my signature (which isn't - it is a squiggle) and that seems to comprise the sum total of their process.
    Next step is to complain to the ombudsman.
    Anyway, many thanks for your input

  • I received a email out of the blue from ingenious legal, claiming i owed them around £400 + from a recent ppi claim which had been paid to me. I couldnt remember even asking them to do a search for me, but after some searching i found an email from myself to say i wanted to cancel my request which i received an email back from them to say it had been cancelled as i was within the 14 day cooling off period. I have sent several emails to them asking for the actual contract of my signature etc, but they are very vague and i feel they are clutching at straws as they never give me a straight answer. I never signed anything as i cancelled. Do i still need to pay them? 
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 116,242 Forumite
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    Slipper81 said:
    I received a email out of the blue from ingenious legal, claiming i owed them around £400 + from a recent ppi claim which had been paid to me. I couldnt remember even asking them to do a search for me, but after some searching i found an email from myself to say i wanted to cancel my request which i received an email back from them to say it had been cancelled as i was within the 14 day cooling off period. I have sent several emails to them asking for the actual contract of my signature etc, but they are very vague and i feel they are clutching at straws as they never give me a straight answer. I never signed anything as i cancelled. Do i still need to pay them? 
    No.   You have evidence of cancellation.   
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • dunstonh
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    I clicked on a link

    Such as the theme of everybody who moans about being billed.   I just clicked a link is consistent with all of them.

     I maintain I don't owe them a penny how could I when I binned the original letter and forms from them.

    Clicking the link entered you into a contract. Signatures are not required.

    In the lead up to the deadline, the FCA told firms to treat enquiries about PPI as actual complaints and most claims companies had within their contract that if an enquiry was turned into a complaint automatically and paid out, then it is treated as a successful complaint.

    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • dunstonh said:
    I clicked on a link

    Such as the theme of everybody who moans about being billed.   I just clicked a link is consistent with all of them.

     I maintain I don't owe them a penny how could I when I binned the original letter and forms from them.

    Clicking the link entered you into a contract. Signatures are not required.

    In the lead up to the deadline, the FCA told firms to treat enquiries about PPI as actual complaints and most claims companies had within their contract that if an enquiry was turned into a complaint automatically and paid out, then it is treated as a successful complaint.

    Then why have I not heard from them? Why have I not received any notification from them non-whatsoever? Even now I have not received a bill or even a notice of intent to get the money owed? I received the cheque at the beginning of August and its only Sept 8 so without my knowledge of anything and within just over four weeks this firm has contacted a debt collecting agency to set their animals on me. And even they don't have the decency to write a letter. 


    Sorry, something is not right.

    1. Why did they send out forms to sign if as you say all they needed was me clicking the link and I had entered you into a contract as signatures are not required. 

    2. There has been no contact from them since they sent the forms around October last year 

    3. In the space from the 1 August to 4 September again with no contact with them they set their animals onto me. 


    It stinks to high heaven. 
  • i have also been contacted by ingenious regarding a ppi claim.   First i knew about them was when theydent me an invoice.  Ive asked for a copy of the signed documentation and they claim i signed via Facebook and provided the ip address.  The ip address does not match my phone or broadband and is located in Whitehaven , I'm in Newcastle and was in work here the day i supposedly signed up to this.  Ive never actually been to Whitehaven in my life and use my phone data when out and about.  Has anyone come across this before?
  • brettcta
    brettcta Posts: 4,693 Forumite
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    edited 28 September 2020 at 11:46PM
    IP addresses can vary. I get alerts sometimes when I log into my Apple account on a new computer saying I’ve had a new login in London or somewhere else when I’m sat at home in Manchester.

    I wouldn’t worry about that aspect too much.
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  • dunstonh said:

    Clicking the link entered you into a contract. Signatures are not required.


    That's wrong, a signature is absolutely required.
    FCA CMCOBS says:

    ’The signature should be on a hard copy of the agreement which may be given or posted to the firm, else sent by fax, or scanned or photographed and sent electronically. Alternatively, the customer could insert a digital image of their handwritten signature into an electronic copy of the agreement before returning the agreement to the firm by email.

    Distance selling regulations also require a signature and that a copy of the signed agreement is provided in a durable medium along with a cancellation form.







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