Ampy Electrocard Meter - Price Per Unit kwh?

matelodave

The price cap assumes that you are being supplied directly by the energy supplier, and not via a third party intermediary which appears to be happening in this case. The OP is not deciding who his supplier is, nor has he an account with the supplier (that's being done by the LL). he is just paying the LL a grossly inflated and illegal price for his leccy.

Theres is nothing any of us can do except advise the OP to speak to the landlord and then get Trading Standards involved if he doesn't back down. If the LL is engaged in unfair or illegal practices then I would assume that the OP could get out of his 12 month contract, but again only a solicitor or possibly the CAB could give proper legal advice. I'm guessing that the CAB could help in the wording of a suitably stern letter to the LL to help motivate him to sort it out.

Liam14884

matelodave said:

Who do you buy your top-up cards from.

The meter looks very much like a private meter like the sort they fit into shared properties and even caravan sites and marina's where the electricity is metered to each berth, pitch or room but the landlord, owner provides/sells the meter cards and sets the price.
It doesn't actually make him a licensed supplier. I gess it's even less likely in a shared occupancy dwelling where the main meter is supplying the whole building and the landlord has fitted sub-meters to the different rooms.

The sub-meters belong to him (or he rents them) and he buy's a batch fr cards or tokens and then sells them on the to consumer - he makes as much as he can and then just pays the bill against the total amount that gets billed by the supplier. He is still not allowed to sell it for more than he pays for it, neither can he charge you more than 5% VAT even if he has to pay 20% because he has a business accout. Likewise he's got to pay his own proportion of the bill if he lives there or uses energy himself.

Yes these are the cards I use in the meter, I purchased £40 when I moved in last week and was told this would last for at least a month. 

Each room has one of these meters but I have 2 as I also have use to my own bathroom so the shower runs off a separate meter which is also set at 65ppu but no standing charge on both.

Ive just had a look at the meter again for my room and noted that its total consumption is 17033 kw and the meter has had £2110 worth of payments. This does not add up to 65ppu so I am guessing the landlord has recently just changed it before me moving in.

matelodave

Try doing a few sums - you can see how many units are on the meter - so read it and note it down, also work out how much credit is on the meter, note it an write it down - do that for a week and you will then know roughly how much energy you've used (in kwh) and how much credit has been used up (in £' & pence) - it's then a simple case of dividing the amount of credit used by the number of units consumed to find out how much you are paying per kwh. Make sure that you aren't paying off someone else's arrears

tim_p

That £2110 / 17033kWh - I wonder if that’s what the LL is paying per kWh?? 50p+ profit per kWh is unconscionable.
so is the shower an electric one?  That could get expensive!!

Lucas91

Gerry1 said:

Lucas91 said:

I see if I were to switch to Neon Reef, that would end up costing me almost 40% more than I currently pay.

I thought this was moneysavingexpert.com - looks like I am lost and have ended up on moneywastingexpert.com, where you appear the champion of champions, since you think my tariff is "extremely expensive".

You claim that you are paying almost '32.5p/kWh' and that Neon Reef would cost you 'almost 40% more'.

That's correct

Gerry1 said:

That would make their electricity cost almost 45.5p/kWh.  Where is such a Neon Reef tariff advertised?

That is not correct, sorry.
You said they charge you 12.11343p per kWh. According to their website, they would charge me 11.929p per kWh, not that I would go with them.

Think of it like this.
You go into shop 1 and buy packet of washing powder and a tin of beans. The total cost comes to £9.25.

You go into another shop, shop 2,  and buy exactly the same goods, and they charge you just £8.89

Does that mean shop 1 has charged a really expensive price for their tin of beans?
Or is perhaps shop 2 actually charging almost 40% more for their beans than shop 1?

The devil is in the detail, as they say.
You need to look at the complete picture before coming to rash decisions and unjustified allegations.

tim_p

All very well saying those of us trying to help (the OP as it happens) need to look at the complete picture but the only poster here not giving us the complete picture is actually you @Lucas91
i think we have enough details of the OP issues and it seems pretty cut and dried that the OP is being royally shafted by some thieving landlord. You’re not their landlord are you??

Lucas91

tim_p said:

Lucas91, I’d guess that just about ANY supplier would beat your 32p / kWh tariff, any!  Pretty much any of the mainstream UK companies SVT will better that. There’s something you’re  not telling us about your situation / tariff I suspect. 

I'm all ears, or should that be eyes?

Not one mainstream UK supplier will beat the tariff I am on, especially not on their SVT.
There is one supplier that may be able to better the tariff I am on, but they won't currently accept me due to Coronavirus.

What do you think I am not telling you?
I'm just highlighting some of the rash decisions people can make when  they think they are moneysaving; such rash decisions can end up costing a lot pf money.

Gerry1

10 minute 10kW electric shower at 65p/kWh: £395 per year.  Almost £800 if you shower again when you get in from work, plus feeding the other meter as well.  If the landlord doesn't budge it looks like it's Trading Standards, moving out, or both.

Lucas91

tim_p said:

All very well saying those of us trying to help (the OP as it happens) need to look at the complete picture but the only poster here not giving us the complete picture is actually you @Lucas91
i think we have enough details of the OP issues and it seems pretty cut and dried that the OP is being royally shafted by some thieving landlord. You’re not their landlord are you??

@tim_p , what part bof the picture would you like???

No point getting all uippity when you have only, by your own admission, only looked at part of the picture and come to the wrong conclusions. How do you know you have the whole picture as far as the OP is concerned. What information have they supplied that I have not?

Gerry1

Lucas91 said:

Gerry1 said:

You claim that you are paying almost '32.5p/kWh' and that Neon Reef would cost you 'almost 40% more'.

That's correct

Gerry1 said:

That would make their electricity cost almost 45.5p/kWh.  Where is such a Neon Reef tariff advertised?

That is not correct, sorry.

If your calculator doesn't agree that 32.5 x 1.40 = 45.5 then it's obviously faulty.

Lucas91 said:

Gerry1 said:

That would make their electricity cost almost 45.5p/kWh.  Where is such a Neon Reef tariff advertised?

That is not correct, sorry.
You said they charge you 12.11343p per kWh. According to their website, they would charge me 11.929p per kWh, not that I would go with them.

Energy prices vary regionally, and obviously we're not in the same region.