Ampy Electrocard Meter - Price Per Unit kwh?

Gerry1

Lucas91 said:

How much more specific would you like me to be?
I am on an ordinary domestic contract. As I said "from our licenced supplier for rate 1 electricity."

I was responding to your post that suggested I should not be paying more than "more than about 12p - 15p per kWh." and your advice that "get a refund for all the overcharging".
I was also intending to follow your advice to report them to Trading Standards.

If you think what I currently pay is expensive, could you suggest where I could get the same thing cheaper, please?

Lots of confusion here.  The OP has a landlord who is reselling electricity to the OP and appears to be breaking the law by making a profit from so doing.  However, you appear to have chosen a tariff that is probably far more expensive than the best available.  If so, nothing illegal is taking place so there's no point in going to Trading Standards.

You need to establish your annual consumption in kWh from actual meter readings and then do some wider market comparisons, starting with Citizens Advice and 'Switch with Which?'.  There may be an exit fee to pay if you are more than 49 days away from a the end of a fixed tariff so you'll have to check the Ts & Cs.

For reference, my electricity costs 12.11343p per kWh with a Standing Charge of 13.2825p inc VAT per day with Neon Reef, so at 32.5p/kWh I'd consider your tariff to be extremely expensive, but that's not illegal overcharging.

Gerry1

Lucas91 said:

Gerry1 said:

Make sure you get a refund for all the overcharging.  Tell the other occupants and Trading Standards, perhaps after you've moved out.  There's no need to pay more than about 12p - 15p per kWh.

I think we are paying almost 32.5p/kWh from our licenced supplier for rate 1 electricity.

I find that hard to understand because it would blow the Ofgem price cap to smithereens.  Which company and which tariff is it?

Lucas91

tim_p said:

Lucas91 said:

tim_p said:

Lucas91 said

But what would be the basis of my complaint? As I say, I am paying a licenced energy supplier according to their published and agreed tariff.

When you say ‘licenced energy supplier according to their published and agreed tariff’
who are they and what tariff?  Are we talking a business tariff here?

As you presumably agreed to their published tariff then surely you have no complaint?

It's a domestic tariff, and I am tempted to agree with you that I have "no complaint" , @tim_p

But I now find myself very discombobulated with the comments from @Gerry1.

I can’t see how you’re likely to get a refund having knowingly entered into the contract!  I think the scenario Gerry1 was referring to is a different situation entirely.  Best to start a new thread rather than discombobulate an existing one.
still curious who you’re paying such a ridiculous sum to per kWh though, as I’m sure are others!

I totally agree with you @tim_p. I too don't see how I could possibly get a refund.
Is @Gerry1still recommending a complaint to Trading Standards and getting a refund for all the overcharging?
Or does he now agree with you, me and others?

Why do you now think I'm paying a ridiculous sum? Have you any better solutions? I did ask @Gerry1, but no alternatives suggested yet.

tim_p

Lucas91, I’d guess that just about ANY supplier would beat your 32p / kWh tariff, any!  Pretty much any of the mainstream UK companies SVT will better that. There’s something you’re  not telling us about your situation / tariff I suspect. 

Lucas91

Gerry1 said:

Lucas91 said:

How much more specific would you like me to be?
I am on an ordinary domestic contract. As I said "from our licenced supplier for rate 1 electricity."

I was responding to your post that suggested I should not be paying more than "more than about 12p - 15p per kWh." and your advice that "get a refund for all the overcharging".
I was also intending to follow your advice to report them to Trading Standards.

If you think what I currently pay is expensive, could you suggest where I could get the same thing cheaper, please?

Lots of confusion here.  The OP has a landlord who is reselling electricity to the OP and appears to be breaking the law by making a profit from so doing.  However, you appear to have chosen a tariff that is probably far more expensive than the best available.  If so, nothing illegal is taking place so there's no point in going to Trading Standards.

You need to establish your annual consumption in kWh from actual meter readings and then do some wider market comparisons, starting with Citizens Advice and 'Switch with Which?'.  There may be an exit fee to pay if you are more than 49 days away from a the end of a fixed tariff so you'll have to check the Ts & Cs.

For reference, my electricity costs 12.11343p per kWh with a Standing Charge of 13.2825p inc VAT per day with Neon Reef, so at 32.5p/kWh I'd consider your tariff to be extremely expensive, but that's not illegal overcharging.

@Gerry1, you allege the landlord is breaking the law by making a profit?
Do you have evidence of that libellous allegation, or is it just that?
As you say, if nothing illegal is taking placem then no point going to Trading Standards.
Not that you can go to Trading Standards, but you wouyld need to first contact Citizens Advice. They would surely look for evidence from you of your allegations or quickly show you the door.

You go on to suggest I have "chosen a tariff that is probably far more expensive than the best available". Again, I will ask if you have any evidence to support that outragious allegation?

I see you suggest looking at Neon Reef? I suggest you look closely. They seem to be Utility Point under a different name. So read the feedback on Utility Point here.

I see you also suggest I go to comparison sites. Well I will avoid the ones you suggest, as there is no possibility of any possible cashback from either of them.

So keeping with MSE's suggestions on which comparison sites to consult, I see if I were to switch to Neon Reef, that would end up costing me almost 40% more than I currently pay.
I thought this was moneysavingexpert.com - looks like I am lost and have ended up on moneywastingexpert.com, where you appear the champion of champions, since you think my tariff is "extremely expensive".

Gerry1

Lucas91 said:
Is @Gerry1still recommending a complaint to Trading Standards and getting a refund for all the overcharging?
Or does he now agree with you, me and others?

Why do you now think I'm paying a ridiculous sum? Have you any better solutions? I did ask @Gerry1, but no alternatives suggested yet.

I've never recommended that YOU should complain to Trading Standards, only the OP whose thread you've gatecrashed.  And if you read my post at 1pm you'll see that I did indeed offer a cheaper alternative.

I'm beginning to think that you may be trolling, especially as you haven't told us what this mysteriously expensive tariff is.

Lucas91

Gerry1 said:

Lucas91 said:

Gerry1 said:

Make sure you get a refund for all the overcharging.  Tell the other occupants and Trading Standards, perhaps after you've moved out.  There's no need to pay more than about 12p - 15p per kWh.

I think we are paying almost 32.5p/kWh from our licenced supplier for rate 1 electricity.

I find that hard to understand because it would blow the Ofgem price cap to smithereens.  Which company and which tariff is it?

What ofgem pricecap, @Gerry1 ???

If it  blows "the Ofgem price cap to smithereens", surely that would be a good enough reason to report this licenced energy supplier to Trading Standards, and demand a refund of their overcharging?

matelodave

Who do you buy your top-up cards from.

The meter looks very much like a private meter like the sort they fit into shared properties and even caravan sites and marina's where the electricity is metered to each berth, pitch or room but the landlord, owner provides/sells the meter cards and sets the price.
It doesn't actually make him a licensed supplier. I gess it's even less likely in a shared occupancy dwelling where the main meter is supplying the whole building and the landlord has fitted sub-meters to the different rooms.

The sub-meters belong to him (or he rents them) and he buy's a batch fr cards or tokens and then sells them on the to consumer - he makes as much as he can and then just pays the bill against the total amount that gets billed by the supplier. He is still not allowed to sell it for more than he pays for it, neither can he charge you more than 5% VAT even if he has to pay 20% because he has a business accout. Likewise he's got to pay his own proportion of the bill if he lives there or uses energy himself.

Are the cards like this - They buy them in bulk (100 for £10) and set the meter up to use the credit on the card - https://www.metermarket.co.uk/product/magnetic-cards-for-use-with-ampy-card-meters/ and they use one of these to access the programming functions in the meter https://www.metermarket.co.uk/product/ampy-programming-digicard/ and this is how it's done - https://www.camax.co.uk/downloads/Ampy-Card-Meter-User-Manual.pdf

Lucas91

@Gerry1 - the ofgem price cap appears to relate to a suppliers default tariff only.
If you read the MSE articles, it says don;t be misled by the so called price cap, as you can still save £100's by moving away from a suppliers default tariff.

Gerry1

Lucas91 said:

I see if I were to switch to Neon Reef, that would end up costing me almost 40% more than I currently pay.

I thought this was moneysavingexpert.com - looks like I am lost and have ended up on moneywastingexpert.com, where you appear the champion of champions, since you think my tariff is "extremely expensive".

You claim that you are paying almost '32.5p/kWh' and that Neon Reef would cost you 'almost 40% more'.

That would make their electricity cost almost 45.5p/kWh.  Where is such a Neon Reef tariff advertised?