Not sure if I will get a speeding ticket

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Where are you getting this idea of street lights on a dual carriageway is 60mph? 

Coupon-mad

A speed awareness course a few months back confirmed it.

It was one of the questions and the right answer was 60mph even for a dual carriageway, where there were more then 3 streetlights plus national speed limit signs.  It was run by ex-police guys my age though so maybe we (me and them) were remembering something old from the Highway Code that is no longer strictly applied these days.     

nosferatu1001

Coupon-mad said:

The street lights and national speed limit sign tell you otherwise, on a dual carriageway.  It's 60mph.

If there is BOTH a system of streetlighting not more than 200 years apart, AND a black stripe on white background sign, repeated regularly, then the speed limit is 70mph on a dual carriageway
If there is ONLY a system of street lights, and no sign otherwise, the limit is 30mph. 
From rule 124:
The presence of street lights generally means that there is a 30 mph (48 km/h) speed limit unless otherwise specified.
There is no general exception for a dual carriageway with bnoth lights AND the national limit sign; as such, the national limit sign means the road is "otherwise specified" and the limit is as normal for a dual carriagway, that of 70mph. 
For vans and above the limit would be at most 60, is that what youre thinking of? For casrs, the limit would be 70mph. For sure. 

nosferatu1001

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/general-rules-techniques-and-advice-for-all-drivers-and-riders-103-to-158
Those courses are non-stat and the info is suspect.
The highway code is definitive
It states, with no ambiguity, that the limit is 70mph for a normal dual carriageway. The presence of street lighting, with NO OTHER SIGNS, means the road is a 30mph limit. If there are any other signs, it is the limit as posted. And for the "national" speed limit sign, tjhis is 70mph

Coupon-mad

For vans and above the limit would be at most 60, is that what youre thinking of? 

No, that's a separate thing. 

I was taught this and the speed awareness course this year confirmed it, and almost no-one knew.  Just me and one other person had heard of it, plus the people running the course.

70mph is for motorways, and dual carriageways without lighting.

DoaM

nosferatu1001 said:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/general-rules-techniques-and-advice-for-all-drivers-and-riders-103-to-158
Those courses are non-stat and the info is suspect.
The highway code is definitive
It states, with no ambiguity, that the limit is 70mph for a normal dual carriageway. The presence of street lighting, with NO OTHER SIGNS, means the road is a 30mph limit. If there are any other signs, it is the limit as posted. And for the "national" speed limit sign, tjhis is 70mph

Is the correct answer.

Coupon-mad

I am guessing the Highway code has changed then and the Speed Awareness guys (and I) didn't know!  It was in the Highway Code when I was taught, but I am middle aged with adult kids.

nosferatu1001

Coupon-mad said:

For vans and above the limit would be at most 60, is that what youre thinking of? 

No, that's a separate thing. 

I was taught this and the speed awareness course this year confirmed it, and almost no-one knew.  Just me and one other person had heard of it, plus the people running the course.

70mph is for motorways, and dual carriageways without lighting.

Sorry, but you are incorrect
The highway code confirms what we've been saying. 
As soon as a DC has the black on white roundel, it is a 70mph limit regardless of any street lighting. 

Coupon-mad

OK, so the Highway Code must have been updated since I read that (back in the day) and the ex-Police were my age and were teaching people the same as my understanding - this year!

nosferatu1001

For reference C-M:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/27/part/VI 82) states that a road is a restricted road by virtue of the street lighting mentioned already (200 yards) - note that there is no erquirement in the legislation for this to be at least 3 lamp posts, and they do not indicate where the start of the restriction occurs - at the first post or only after the 2nd, as at that point there is a "system" in palce - but that doesnt matter for here.
Schedule 6 is where the limits are then defined:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/27/schedule/6
Your course was wrong, and while you may have been taught differently, the current law is as Ive laid out.