Not sure if I will get a speeding ticket

Coupon-mad

On the A23 in Sussex - and not within the roadworks bit that's at 50mph - my sat nav tells me (wrongly) that the speed limit is 70mph even in the section with streetlamps. 

It's a dual carriageway not a motorway at the lower south end, and streetlamps tell any clued up driver that it's 60mph. Them's the rules but my sat nav doesn't know it.

jazzyja

your speedo is set higher. Youl of been doing 33. So if you're lucky they prob wouldn't of clocked it. If they do i doubt your appeal would stand as you should be looking at the road signs not the GPS

renegadefm

Umkomaas said:

renegadefm said:

Umkomaas said:

I've watched your thread over on PePiPoo and the experts there are stating facts as they are - the Sat Nav is irrelevant, the roadside signs are the those that matter. The fact that you are, seemingly, unable to accept that means that no one with any expertise in this matter is able to help you. 

Try the appeal on the basis of your argument, then come back and tell us if you've pulled off a groundbreaking success. 

I just dont know why they got all assy about it. I'm merely putting how I feel across. Its the GPS reading that is puzzling me. 

People with years of experience tend to get 'all assy' when the best (and correct) advice they can possibly give is questioned and argued over ad nauseam, with no 'give'. 

No I dont doubt I'm wrong. But I have been driving 34 years and never had a speeding ticket. I guess what Im saying is why create these modern things like sat navs, gps etc when it leads a motorist down a garden path.
For example my partner just recently passed her test, but it was part of the rules she had to buy a sat nav to a certain spec, before she can take her practical test. Surely anyone can see as motorists we are starting to be side tracked from bog standard signage which should be followed and abided by, but no we got all this technology distracting us from what is real.
I mean come on why the heck do you need a sat nav to pass a practical test? Its farcical. 
So basically why cant we use my snapshot of what the gps said was 40 in an appeal. It doesnt sound strange to do that to me. If the law states we need these things for guidance. How far do we mix guidance with hard law?
To me the worlds gone mad! 

KeithP

...it was part of the rules she had to buy a sat nav to a certain spec, before she can take her practical test.

She had to buy a sat nav? Are you sure?

From https://www.gov.uk/government/news/driving-test-changes-4-december-2017 - 

The driving test will change from Monday 4 December 2017 to include following directions from a sat nav and testing different manoeuvres.
The examiner will provide the sat nav (a TomTom Start 52) and set it up. You won’t need to set the route - the examiner will do this for you.

renegadefm

KeithP said:

...it was part of the rules she had to buy a sat nav to a certain spec, before she can take her practical test.

She had to buy a sat nav? Are you sure?

From https://www.gov.uk/government/news/driving-test-changes-4-december-2017 - 

The driving test will change from Monday 4 December 2017 to include following directions from a sat nav and testing different manoeuvres.
The examiner will provide the sat nav (a TomTom Start 52) and set it up. You won’t need to set the route - the examiner will do this for you.

Yes honestly. I remember well cause I disputed it with her driving instructor cause the spec she had to have wasent cheap. Just under £150.
Apparently new drivers have to show they are compitant with a sat nav. 
This is what I meant, so when the device is wrong or whatever, why cant you dispute it when you get a fine. It makes sense to me. 

renegadefm

jazzyja said:

your speedo is set higher. Youl of been doing 33. So if you're lucky they prob wouldn't of clocked it. 

Its funny you mention that cause I notice when I'm doing for example dead on 30 on my car speedo, it says 27 on the sat nav, or gps.
How long has car speedos been like that? 

KeithP

renegadefm said:

KeithP said:

...it was part of the rules she had to buy a sat nav to a certain spec, before she can take her practical test.

She had to buy a sat nav? Are you sure?

From https://www.gov.uk/government/news/driving-test-changes-4-december-2017 - 

The driving test will change from Monday 4 December 2017 to include following directions from a sat nav and testing different manoeuvres.
The examiner will provide the sat nav (a TomTom Start 52) and set it up. You won’t need to set the route - the examiner will do this for you.

Yes honestly. I remember well cause I disputed it with her driving instructor cause the spec she had to have wasent cheap. Just under £150.
Apparently new drivers have to show they are compitant with a sat nav. 
This is what I meant, so when the device is wrong or whatever, why cant you dispute it when you get a fine. It makes sense to me. 

OK, then we'll just have to accept that .gov.uk have got it wrong.

Will you write and tell them or shall I?
On second thoughts, I'll leave it to you. 

KeithP

renegadefm said:

jazzyja said:

your speedo is set higher. Youl of been doing 33. So if you're lucky they prob wouldn't of clocked it. 

Its funny you mention that cause I notice when I'm doing for example dead on 30 on my car speedo, it says 27 on the sat nav, or gps.
How long has car speedos been like that? 

Since car speedos became compulsory.
They can over-read by 10% but never under-read.

renegadefm

KeithP said:

renegadefm said:

KeithP said:

...it was part of the rules she had to buy a sat nav to a certain spec, before she can take her practical test.

She had to buy a sat nav? Are you sure?

From https://www.gov.uk/government/news/driving-test-changes-4-december-2017 - 

The driving test will change from Monday 4 December 2017 to include following directions from a sat nav and testing different manoeuvres.
The examiner will provide the sat nav (a TomTom Start 52) and set it up. You won’t need to set the route - the examiner will do this for you.

Yes honestly. I remember well cause I disputed it with her driving instructor cause the spec she had to have wasent cheap. Just under £150.
Apparently new drivers have to show they are compitant with a sat nav. 
This is what I meant, so when the device is wrong or whatever, why cant you dispute it when you get a fine. It makes sense to me. 

OK, then we'll just have to accept that .gov.uk have got it wrong.

Will you write and tell them or shall I?
On second thoughts, I'll leave it to you. 

I'm only stating what was said at the time, that was just over 2 years ago when she started having lessons. Her instructor said under new rules the examiners want to see you can read a sat nav,  and I had to buy her one at a certain spec. I got no reason to lie to you. Could it be different test centers require different things I dont know. 

Scrapit

KeithP said:

renegadefm said:

KeithP said:

...it was part of the rules she had to buy a sat nav to a certain spec, before she can take her practical test.

She had to buy a sat nav? Are you sure?

From https://www.gov.uk/government/news/driving-test-changes-4-december-2017 - 

The driving test will change from Monday 4 December 2017 to include following directions from a sat nav and testing different manoeuvres.
The examiner will provide the sat nav (a TomTom Start 52) and set it up. You won’t need to set the route - the examiner will do this for you.

Yes honestly. I remember well cause I disputed it with her driving instructor cause the spec she had to have wasent cheap. Just under £150.
Apparently new drivers have to show they are compitant with a sat nav. 
This is what I meant, so when the device is wrong or whatever, why cant you dispute it when you get a fine. It makes sense to me. 

OK, then we'll just have to accept that .gov.uk have got it wrong.

Will you write and tell them or shall I?
On second thoughts, I'll leave it to you. 

Wouldnt be the first time that page is wrong. Thats for sure.