Household Plumbing

Steve123456789

452 said:

Steve123456789 said:

452 said:

I'd start with asking the person/persons who are doing the final terminations and fitting  the the boiler to see if they are happy with what you plan to do. 

I'll be doing the final terminations.  I'll do everything except the boiler gas installation.  I'll get a plumber type in to give me a quote for a boiler and try and learn as much as I can while they're here.

Do you mean you'll do everything except the gas boiler installation?

Unless you're gas safe registered which clearly you aren't then you shouldn't be removing the cover from the boiler. 

So what you actually need need is someone to come in an fit the combi. Following that you will do ever else?

I don't expect they'll be too happy with you standing over them all day watching. 

I spoke 4 different gas safe people and they all told me this is wrong.
You only have to be gas safe registered to take payment for gas work.

Mickey666

You mean anyone can DIY gas work?  I’m pretty sure that’s wrong.  At least, I hope it is!
Any references?

stragglebod

Steve123456789 said:

452 said:

Steve123456789 said:

452 said:

I'd start with asking the person/persons who are doing the final terminations and fitting  the the boiler to see if they are happy with what you plan to do. 

I'll be doing the final terminations.  I'll do everything except the boiler gas installation.  I'll get a plumber type in to give me a quote for a boiler and try and learn as much as I can while they're here.

Do you mean you'll do everything except the gas boiler installation?

Unless you're gas safe registered which clearly you aren't then you shouldn't be removing the cover from the boiler. 

So what you actually need need is someone to come in an fit the combi. Following that you will do ever else?

I don't expect they'll be too happy with you standing over them all day watching. 

I spoke 4 different gas safe people and they all told me this is wrong.
You only have to be gas safe registered to take payment for gas work.

The Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998

3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

OP is not competent to do so. Therefore any DIY gas work he does will be illegal.

daivid

452 used "shouldn't" which I think is a perfectly reasonable statement. Legally, in a private home, a competent but not necessarily accredited person can do so provided it is not for any gain, is it wise? In almost all circumstances I don't think so - perhaps if someone held a comparable but non-transferable accreditation/qualification or is relatively recently retired and working in their own home.

I want to remove an old gas fire, I know I am capable of disconnecting it and sealing up the pipe. Am I going to? No way, paying someone who is qualified, registered and for which it is their 'bread and butter' is worth whatever ridiculous seeming price they charge (for the simplicity of the job) when a simple mistake could literally blow up my house. I'm happy to take a risk of flooding (water/waste pipes) to save money, but am not going to risk my life (gas/mains electric) and even worse the lives of others.

stragglebod

daivid said:

452 used "shouldn't" which I think is a perfectly reasonable statement. Legally, in a private home, a competent but not necessarily accredited person can do so provided it is not for any gain, is it wise? In almost all circumstances I don't think so - perhaps if someone held a comparable but non-transferable accreditation/qualification or is relatively recently retired and working in their own home.

I want to remove an old gas fire, I know I am capable of disconnecting it and sealing up the pipe. Am I going to? No way, paying someone who is qualified, registered and for which it is their 'bread and butter' is worth whatever ridiculous seeming price they charge (for the simplicity of the job) when a simple mistake could literally blow up my house. I'm happy to take a risk of flooding (water/waste pipes) to save money, but am not going to risk my life (gas/mains electric) and even worse the lives of others.

Look at the OP's first comment. He is clearly not competent to do any gas work. Therefore he would be committing an offence. And removing a gas fire involves more than just disconnecting it and sealing up the pipe.

daivid

stragglebod said:

daivid said:

452 used "shouldn't" which I think is a perfectly reasonable statement. Legally, in a private home, a competent but not necessarily accredited person can do so provided it is not for any gain, is it wise? In almost all circumstances I don't think so - perhaps if someone held a comparable but non-transferable accreditation/qualification or is relatively recently retired and working in their own home.

I want to remove an old gas fire, I know I am capable of disconnecting it and sealing up the pipe. Am I going to? No way, paying someone who is qualified, registered and for which it is their 'bread and butter' is worth whatever ridiculous seeming price they charge (for the simplicity of the job) when a simple mistake could literally blow up my house. I'm happy to take a risk of flooding (water/waste pipes) to save money, but am not going to risk my life (gas/mains electric) and even worse the lives of others.

Look at the OP's first comment. He is clearly not competent to do any gas work. [1] Therefore he would be committing an offence. And removing a gas fire involves more than just disconnecting it and sealing up the pipe. [2]

[1] I agree, and am not sure how my previous post contradicts.

[2] Whilst this is also true, in the case of the fire I want to remove once the gas pipe has been properly disconnected and sealed there is no risk of anything going catastrophically wrong. Sure I could make a mess of removing the unit from the wall and or blocking up where the flue passes through the wall, but these would result it damp problems not blowing up my home and potentially that of the neighbours.

Risteard

Mickey666 said:

You mean anyone can DIY gas work?  I’m pretty sure that’s wrong.  At least, I hope it is!
Any references?

Completely true. You should be competent but need only be Gas Safe registered if doing it for reward. 

Steve123456789

Mickey666 said:

You mean anyone can DIY gas work?  I’m pretty sure that’s wrong.  At least, I hope it is!
Any references?

No references. I didn’t ask them to write it down but they all said it. I wouldn’t dream of doing the gas bit myself. 

Steve123456789

stragglebod said:

Yep Steve123456789 said:

452 said:

Steve123456789 said:

452 said:

I'd start with asking the person/persons who are doing the final terminations and fitting  the the boiler to see if they are happy with what you plan to do. 

I'll be doing the final terminations.  I'll do everything except the boiler gas installation.  I'll get a plumber type in to give me a quote for a boiler and try and learn as much as I can while they're here.

Do you mean you'll do everything except the gas boiler installation?

Unless you're gas safe registered which clearly you aren't then you shouldn't be removing the cover from the boiler. 

So what you actually need need is someone to come in an fit the combi. Following that you will do ever else?

I don't expect they'll be too happy with you standing over them all day watching. 

I spoke 4 different gas safe people and they all told me this is wrong.
You only have to be gas safe registered to take payment for gas work.

The Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998

3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

OP is not competent to do so. Therefore any DIY gas work he does will be illegal.

Good job I’m not doing any gas work then. 

Steve123456789

daivid said:

stragglebod said:

daivid said:

452 used "shouldn't" which I think is a perfectly reasonable statement. Legally, in a private home, a competent but not necessarily accredited person can do so provided it is not for any gain, is it wise? In almost all circumstances I don't think so - perhaps if someone held a comparable but non-transferable accreditation/qualification or is relatively recently retired and working in their own home.

I want to remove an old gas fire, I know I am capable of disconnecting it and sealing up the pipe. Am I going to? No way, paying someone who is qualified, registered and for which it is their 'bread and butter' is worth whatever ridiculous seeming price they charge (for the simplicity of the job) when a simple mistake could literally blow up my house. I'm happy to take a risk of flooding (water/waste pipes) to save money, but am not going to risk my life (gas/mains electric) and even worse the lives of others.

Look at the OP's first comment. He is clearly not competent to do any gas work. [1] Therefore he would be committing an offence. And removing a gas fire involves more than just disconnecting it and sealing up the pipe. [2]

[1] I agree, and am not sure how my previous post contradicts.

[2] Whilst this is also true, in the case of the fire I want to remove once the gas pipe has been properly disconnected and sealed there is no risk of anything going catastrophically wrong. Sure I could make a mess of removing the unit from the wall and or blocking up where the flue passes through the wall, but these would result it damp problems not blowing up my home and potentially that of the neighbours.

I was just going to chop the flue so it ends in the loft then block both ends and plaster over the hole. 
Unsure what offence I’ll be committing by removing what is essentially, at the point it’s disconnected from the gas supply, a piece of metal from my wall....