Mercedes diesel group action PGMBM

George_Michael

sweetsand said:

IMHO, those in the UK will get nothing.


Bottom line, people, Mercedes drivers including ex Mercedes drivers may get compo but not what those in the USA got for their VW group cars.

You think those in the UK will get nothing but then you say that they may "get compo".
Well, which is it? you can't think that both statements are correct.

[Deleted User]

AdrianC said:

Deleted_User said:

Yes but the point being they're American firms

No, not really.

Chrysler is no more "American" than Fiat, and soon Peugeot/Citroen/Vauxhall. Many of the Chrysler cars sold here were sold under the Lancia badge elsewhere in Europe, most weren't built in the US, and many weren't available in the US.

Chevrolet was no more "American" than Vauxhall was at the time they were sold here. The Chevrolet cars here were Korean developed and built, and weren't available in the US.

Like I said - if you want to buy a US-built car in the UK, in a form that's pretty close to what you could buy from a US dealer and with the same engines, your best bet is to head for the BMW dealer.

hence an American could take action in America against them e.g. over the cheat tests.

People in the US who bought their US-market cars in the US could take action in the US against the people in US who sold them those cars, regardless of where the manufacturer was nominally based.

How else do you think VW and Mercedes are on the block?

Clue: VW and Merc were the only companies who even tried selling diesels in the US in the period in question. Why? Because the US emission tests for US market vehicle sold in the US were and are VERY different to the European ones for European market cars sold in Europe.

Clue 2: The US is not America. It is one country in the American continents, comprising about a third of American people.

Again you just want to argue to be "technically correct" hence moving the goalposts to argue about something I wasn't even talking about. Again, OP is not American, the fact that they could have bought an "American" car in the UK (not interested in your nonsense arguing about rebranding or technicalities, brands like Ford are American to the man on the Clapham omnibus) is irrelevant as the legal action in America is for Americans suing car manufacturers in America over breach of American standards

Clue: Apparently you missed the likes of the Chevy Colorado/Silverado, Ford F-series, GMC Canyon, Land Rover LR3 etc in your rush to argue

Clue 2 - don't be silly. Every person in the world (apart from you apparently), understands that casual references to America = the USA. Aside from when discussing the continents where yes you would use, North America and South America, or the Americas as you want to use to labour your (incorrect) point. Nobody in Canada or Mexico would say something like "no I'm not Mexican/Canadian, I'm American, America refers to the whole continent", just as a New Zealander wouldn't call themselves "Australasian"

AdrianC

Deleted_User said:

Brands like Ford are American to the man on the Clapham omnibus

Ford are as British as Vauxhall to Joe Average.

Clue: Apparently you missed the likes of the Chevy Colorado/Silverado, Ford F-series, GMC Canyon, Land Rover LR3 etc in your rush to argue

Land Rover didn't sell diesel Discovery 3/LR3s in the US - only petrol. The rest aren't "cars" by US legislation.

Mickey666

This exchange reminds me of the old Engineer and Manager joke.  You decide who is who . . . . 

A man is flying in a hot air balloon and realizes that he is lost. He reduces height and spots a man down below. He lowers the balloon further and shouts, "Excuse me. Can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him half an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."  
 
The man below says, "Yes. You are in a hot air balloon, hovering approximately 30 feet above this field. You are between 40 and 42 degrees north latitude, and between 58 and 60 degrees west longitude.  
 
"You must be an engineer" says the balloonist.   
"I am", replies the man. "How did you know?"  
 
"Well..." says the balloonist. "Everything you told me was technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information and the fact is I am still lost."  
 
The man below says, "You must be a Manager"  
 
"I am", replies the balloonist. "How did you know?"  
 
"Well..." says the man. "You don't know where you are, or where you are going. You made a promise which you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. The fact is you are in the exact same position you were in before we met but now it is somehow my fault."

sweetsand

Mickey666 said:

This exchange reminds me of the old Engineer and Manager joke.  You decide who is who . . . . 

A man is flying in a hot air balloon and realizes that he is lost. He reduces height and spots a man down below. He lowers the balloon further and shouts, "Excuse me. Can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him half an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."  
 
The man below says, "Yes. You are in a hot air balloon, hovering approximately 30 feet above this field. You are between 40 and 42 degrees north latitude, and between 58 and 60 degrees west longitude.  
 
"You must be an engineer" says the balloonist.   
"I am", replies the man. "How did you know?"  
 
"Well..." says the balloonist. "Everything you told me was technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information and the fact is I am still lost."  
 
The man below says, "You must be a Manager"  
 
"I am", replies the balloonist. "How did you know?"  
 
"Well..." says the man. "You don't know where you are, or where you are going. You made a promise which you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. The fact is you are in the exact same position you were in before we met but now it is somehow my fault."

forgotmyname

Deleted_User said:

People buy diesels because of the MPG, unfortunately most diesels are being driven into cities on commutes, crawling in traffic, where the MPG is awful and a petrol would be better,

Have you driven a car?   I can give you an example where the above statement is clearly wrong.

I had a 2L petrol Mondeo, short journeys the average was 18 - 26mpg... Heavy traffic and short journeys. 
Swapped for a 2L diesel Mondeo and the MPG improved to 38 - 42mpg on the same journeys, thats an average
measured over several years of ownership not single one off journeys, repeatable measurements.

iambrad

I’ve been researching Dieselgate this evening and found this video of a barrister asking about this. well worth a watch…

 https://youtu.be/Rsqu7Owi4zo

[Deleted User]

AdrianC said:

More ambulance chasers...
The original 2018 story...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44444361

And now...
https://www.leighday.co.uk/News/Press-releases-2020/May-2020/Mercedes-face-legal-action-over-AdBlue-emissions-c

Do/did you have one of the recalled cars?
What are your actual losses?

It doesn't matter how often you repeat the phrase 'what are your actual losses", you gave bad advice when it was VW and you are doing it again.

shiraz99

iambrad said:

I’ve been researching Dieselgate this evening and found this video of a barrister asking about this. well worth a watch…

 https://youtu.be/Rsqu7Owi4zo

Please read the forum rules and stop spamming threads with the same content.

Aretnap

[Deleted User] said:

AdrianC said:

More ambulance chasers...
The original 2018 story...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44444361

And now...
https://www.leighday.co.uk/News/Press-releases-2020/May-2020/Mercedes-face-legal-action-over-AdBlue-emissions-c

Do/did you have one of the recalled cars?
What are your actual losses?

It doesn't matter how often you repeat the phrase 'what are your actual losses", you gave bad advice when it was VW and you are doing it again.

You' re replying to a two year old comment from a now banned poster on a thread which was resurrected by a spammer. Let it go.