Can I be paid ??

poppy12345

To be eligible for furlough you need to have been on the payroll on 28th February. Even if you were, it's still totally up to your employer whether they furlough you or not and there's nothing you can do about it if they choose not to.

Nannachoc

ok, thank you     

unholyangel

poppy12345 said:

unholyangel said:

poppy12345 said:

unholyangel said:

Would you be eligible for SSP? How much are you paid for those 5 hours? 

SSP can't be claimed when working 5 hours a week. https://www.gov.uk/statutory-sick-pay/eligibility

Unless I'm going blind, I don't see anything there specifying a minimum number of hours, just a minimum average weekly wage. 

It's unlikely that the OP would be earning and average of £120 per week working 5 hours.

£24 isn't that high an hourly rate. Even full time thats less than 50k a year. While the majority earn much less, plenty of people earn far more. 

But it still doesn't change the fact that eligibility for SSP is not based on number of hours worked. 

Nannachoc said:

I was just reading some other posts............
I am my husband's carer - I also read that if a person is required to stay home to look after another , who has had a letter and is shielding , then they can be furloughed? ?  This is what I am so unsure of, when I read up on it. 
Sites like Acas say to keep talking to your employer, which I 've tried , but it isn't being received that well and because I am not 100% of the facts I don't really like to argue , yet I still don't know if I could ask for pay ? 

I think the general consensus atm is that while shielding doesn't prevent your employer from putting you on furlough, its not necessarily a qualifying criteria to claim furlough. But that is only the rules for your employer reclaiming it, it's still the employers decision on whether staff need to be furloughed or not. Unless your contract allows paid time off to care for dependents of course. 

Nannachoc

Hi - I didn't know that about SSP , Thank you , 
It's not clear cut rues for the likes of my circumstances, is it? As you were saying, it doesn't prevent the employer, but isn't necessary qualifying criteria?  This is where I see the confusing information, too. 
If it isn't written in stone for me to quote - I know I won't get it.
Contract ?!   That's a dirty word at the moment and definately has become more confusing and incredulous to believe since this coronavirus / me being asked to shield ,  thank I would ever have believed ............especially considering my amount of pay ...........nothing to a particular person ..........a lot to me .....something which has almost be totally disregarded. Although I did get a message originally, saying my jib was suspended ..................???!!!  CONFUSED.    (and very upset) :'(

poppy12345

unholyangel said:

poppy12345 said:

unholyangel said:

poppy12345 said:

unholyangel said:

Would you be eligible for SSP? How much are you paid for those 5 hours? 

SSP can't be claimed when working 5 hours a week. https://www.gov.uk/statutory-sick-pay/eligibility

Unless I'm going blind, I don't see anything there specifying a minimum number of hours, just a minimum average weekly wage. 

It's unlikely that the OP would be earning and average of £120 per week working 5 hours.

£24 isn't that high an hourly rate. Even full time thats less than 50k a year. While the majority earn much less, plenty of people earn far more. 

But it still doesn't change the fact that eligibility for SSP is not based on number of hours worked.

It has already been stated that the OP earns £42 per week.

Gonna-be-debt-free

Nannachoc said:

Hi - I didn't know that about SSP , Thank you , 
It's not clear cut rues for the likes of my circumstances, is it? As you were saying, it doesn't prevent the employer, but isn't necessary qualifying criteria?  This is where I see the confusing information, too. 
If it isn't written in stone for me to quote - I know I won't get it.
Contract ?!   That's a dirty word at the moment and definately has become more confusing and incredulous to believe since this coronavirus / me being asked to shield ,  thank I would ever have believed ............especially considering my amount of pay ...........nothing to a particular person ..........a lot to me .....something which has almost be totally disregarded. Although I did get a message originally, saying my jib was suspended ..................???!!!  CONFUSED.    (and very upset) :'(

I'm really sorry you are having such a hard time.

The big problem is that the furlough scheme (Job Retention scheme) has been designed to help businesses protect jobs, not to protect people's earnings.  So that leaves it completely up to your employer if she wants to do it.

You could explain to her that it benefits her business, because if she uses the scheme then when she wants to reopen the business she still has her employees and can just get going.  Without using the scheme she might find she has to build her business up from scratch again and hire new employees who will need to be trained up.

I presume you have looked at the benefit calculators to see if you might be eligible for anything there?

Nannachoc

Thanks for your replies.
Yes, have been checking , 
UC isn't an easy decision due to other benefits re my husband 
But I would like to  thank everyone for their replies
I haven't found or been able to read a similar situation to mine, to compare 
Apart from this business with my wages, both my husband and I just feel so lucky that we are , up to now, still both well - means so much more than money , really, given these terrible times that some are having to go through - we think of them .
Stay safe and well , everyone 

Gonna-be-debt-free

Just a further thought, does she know what she is actually doing with the business yet?  Even if she is closing the business down, she still has obligations to you, including paying redundancy.  In theory, having worked there for 11 years, you would be entitled to 16 weeks pay as redundancy payment (1.5 weeks for every year you have worked there) as well as payment in lieu of notice, but I wouldn't necessarily get your hopes up about actually getting the money (just a hunch from what you have said about your employer).

Link below to what her obligations are:
https://www.gov.uk/staff-redundant

You said that if it's not written down you don't have a hope of getting it.  Could you take the redundancy information to her, and ask whether she is making you redundant or furloughing you?  She would soon see that furlough is the cheaper option for the business.

Nannachoc

Thank you so much for your reply and advice.
It is a male employer.
I am the only " member of staff " employed - I use both staff and employed terms confusingly, as I have had such a stressful time since broaching the subject of being paid ? during this shielding, that communications have stopped , with it all up in the air .
I think , as far as he is concerned, that because I am not on a PAYE payroll , I am not entitled ( something of which I have no idea , either , because, as we know, these are times that no one has had to face before )  . Nor can I have sick pay, because I don't earn enough , he said.
I daresay that if I sent him an enquiry, I may get a reply, but it's been so stressful that I have had to take a break from it all, whilst still trying to plough my way through trying to find out if there is any hard and fast details I could go by , which I could then send through to ask of him.
He did, some 12 days ago, send me a message , saying that he was suspending my job . 
When I approached him over this shielding and my pay, he then said " because I had accepted payment " that that offer no longer applied ??!!!??? Honestly, I don't know if I'm on my head or my elbow with it all.
The only "payment" I had received, was my wages for the week I had worked ( one day, 5 hrs) and the following week's wage , which was a pre coronavirus holiday week booked . ??!!  I have no idea what on earhts happening .
I have tried communicating with him via e mail, but he doesn't answer the questions put to him, just send back more questions and also had started altering the type of contract ( ?) I have with him.
So confused..............

unholyangel

poppy12345 said:

unholyangel said:

poppy12345 said:

unholyangel said:

poppy12345 said:

unholyangel said:

Would you be eligible for SSP? How much are you paid for those 5 hours? 

SSP can't be claimed when working 5 hours a week. https://www.gov.uk/statutory-sick-pay/eligibility

Unless I'm going blind, I don't see anything there specifying a minimum number of hours, just a minimum average weekly wage. 

It's unlikely that the OP would be earning and average of £120 per week working 5 hours.

£24 isn't that high an hourly rate. Even full time thats less than 50k a year. While the majority earn much less, plenty of people earn far more. 

But it still doesn't change the fact that eligibility for SSP is not based on number of hours worked.

It has already been stated that the OP earns £42 per week.

Yes, but I wasn't replying to the OP....was I? I was responding to you saying 5 hours a week isn't enough to qualify for SSP and then saying its unlikely OP was earning more. I was simply pointing out that many people do earn at a sufficient rate to make that a possibility so perhaps we should ask the relevant questions to be sure, rather than assuming and someone potentially not getting help that could make a huge difference to them.