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  • It costs quite a lot I’m sorry to say. You can try to narrow it down to the section you are most interested in.  I obtained the judge’s summing up which was about 14 minutes in a 90 minute hearing and paid £120.  It was worth it to me (for the perjury element).  
  • ncw2509
    ncw2509 Posts: 58 Forumite
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    Thanks Beamer Guy, 
    WE tried for an adjournment, but the DJ insisted that the case would still go to telephone hearing despite my objection citing a disadvantage.  I also had to leave my home to attend my parents adress (NO phone signal at my address) and my mother acted as lay rep (at a social distance)
    Court was Port Talbot County Court - DJ Keller.
    How do I initiate a complaint - is it direct contact with the courts?
  • D_P_Dance
    D_P_Dance Posts: 11,586 Forumite
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    It costs quite a lot I’m sorry to say.

    Are you sure,  we are talking about very recent recordings of telephone  hearings, I suspect that they may be free.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • Umkomaas
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    It costs quite a lot I’m sorry to say. You can try to narrow it down to the section you are most interested in.  I obtained the judge’s summing up which was about 14 minutes in a 90 minute hearing and paid £120.  It was worth it to me (for the perjury element).  
    Are referencing a written transcription, or an audio recording? 
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • Umkomaas
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    Court was Port Talbot County Court
    South Wales hasn't been a happy hunting ground in the past. 
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

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  • D_P_Dance said:
    It costs quite a lot I’m sorry to say.

    Are you sure,  we are talking about very recent recordings of telephone  hearings, I suspect that they may be free.
    It is the same application form for a transcript of a court or telephone hearing.  It would still go to a court approved outside transcription agency which would need paying (I assume - please feel free to correct me). 


  • beamerguy
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    ncw2509 said:
    Thanks Beamer Guy, 
    WE tried for an adjournment, but the DJ insisted that the case would still go to telephone hearing despite my objection citing a disadvantage.  I also had to leave my home to attend my parents adress (NO phone signal at my address) and my mother acted as lay rep (at a social distance)
    Court was Port Talbot County Court - DJ Keller.
    How do I initiate a complaint - is it direct contact with the courts?
    Circuit Judges in Wales.   These could be past and present.  Ask the court who is the current circuit judge for Port Talbot.   Your complaint will be based on an unfair hearing and that DJ Keller did not have the information available to support your case.  They should have a recording of your conversation
    His Honour Judge Bidder QC
    Her Honour Judge Edwards
    His Honour Judge Jonathan Furness QC
    Her Honour Judge Garland-Thomas
    His Honour Judge Harris-Jenkins
    His Honour Judge Harrison
    His Honour Judge Heywood
    Her Honour Judge Howells
    His Honour Judge Jarman QC
    His Honour Judge Jenkins
    His Honour Judge Gareth Jones
    Her Honour Judge Nicola Jones
    His Honour Judge Keyser QC
    Her Honour Judge Gaynor Lloyd
    Her Honour Judge Lloyd-Clarke
    Her Honour Judge Mifflin
    His Honour Judge Morgan
    His Honour Judge Petts
  • ncw2509
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    Beamer Guy - Thanks for this info.
    Tried to contact the court, but they are too  busy to take calls  - advised to call back later.  
    As far as my complaint is concerned, do I just say that I feel I have had an unfair hearing , and let them listen for themselves, OR  do I need to go into detail as to why I feel I've been treated unfairly?
    Your comment about the information available to support my case -  are you referring to the landowners agreement  which nobody has had signt off, or that DJ had not familiarised himself with the stated cases I had referenced in my WS?
    Sorry to be ignorant - 1st timer , feeling deflated!
    Would it be better to have an audio of the hearing before I put pen to paper? 
  • D_P_Dance
    D_P_Dance Posts: 11,586 Forumite
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    As far as my complaint is concerned, do I just say that I feel I have had an unfair hearing , and let them listen for themselves, OR  do I need to go into detail as to why I feel I've been treated unfairly?

    Have you not googled this.?  
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    two fold
    The C was not required to prove they had authority to issue claims, despite this being explicitly raised in your defence. The Cs rep stated that they would have brought it into court, if there were a hearing, thus admitting they intended to ambush the Defendant, a breach of the CPRs and the Courts Order of X date (hearing) setting out the reuqirement to submit ALL documents to the court 

    Secondly, that the Judge had not read the WS and familiarsied with teh cases. 
    You will not get the audio. You will not. You wil get a transcript. 
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