Accidental small underpayment

nosferatu1001

So the ticket had expired, but presumably they have ticket data feeds from their principals machines. Was a VRM recorded on the ticket machine? Presumably so otherwise they would not be able to match to the ANPR
You can use this to point out the likelihood of the two sets of machines, ANPR and Pay machine, being synch'd is very, very low. They dont control the pay machine - theyve told you this - so how can they prove the two clocks are in synch? 

Jimsnap

nosferatu1001 said:

So the ticket had expired, but presumably they have ticket data feeds from their principals machines. Was a VRM recorded on the ticket machine? Presumably so otherwise they would not be able to match to the ANPR
You can use this to point out the likelihood of the two sets of machines, ANPR and Pay machine, being synch'd is very, very low. They dont control the pay machine - theyve told you this - so how can they prove the two clocks are in synch? 

It wasn't ANPR, it was a parking attendant that issued the ticket, the same one that when I arrived told me it was £6 to park overnight, he saw me go to the machine after speaking to him, meaningless I know, but what an a****hole.

Coupon-mad

I wonder if he also pocketed the £1 that hadn't registered?  Scum industry.

Le_Kirk

Jimsnap said:

nosferatu1001 said:

So the ticket had expired, but presumably they have ticket data feeds from their principals machines. Was a VRM recorded on the ticket machine? Presumably so otherwise they would not be able to match to the ANPR
You can use this to point out the likelihood of the two sets of machines, ANPR and Pay machine, being synch'd is very, very low. They dont control the pay machine - theyve told you this - so how can they prove the two clocks are in synch? 

It wasn't ANPR, it was a parking attendant that issued the ticket, the same one that when I arrived told me it was £6 to park overnight, he saw me go to the machine after speaking to him, meaningless I know, but what an a****hole.

Might be worth considering calling him/her as a witness when it comes to hearing stage, if it gets that far.  I realise you don't know who it was but the PPC should know who was working on any particular day.  Make sure it is mentioned in defence (haven't read back to check) and at WS stage.

nosferatu1001

Just say "them", less clunky and covers all options then

nosferatu1001

I wouldnt call them as a witness, as theyre hostile
I would make the facts known from your side, and if the PPC wanted to disagree they should have called the parking chump as a witness. If they choose not to, their fault, and they have no evidence to disagree with yours

dvdccd

Hi Jimsnap I'm in the exact situation you are and it's taken reading your thread for the penny to finally drop for me:

1. You (and me) paid the correct money for our stays, how are they going to prove the meter was not broken?
2. The solicitor has slapped on a made-up fee of £60 that they know is wrong and will show them up in court
3. Why would you check the ticket there is no reason to expect the machine to issue it incorrectly (its a machine)
4. There is no point trying to talk to or reason with the scumbags unless you can use the reply to catch them out and show them up in court. As they are not obligated to give you any proof unless the court tells them to. This is why we make our defense and "The Claimant is put strictly to proof" (tell them to prove you wrong)
5. It feels messed up because you would assume that you would see the evidence against you before you defend yourself but it's the reverse, they have to prove what you say is untrue.
6. the only thing that may be worth communicating to the solicitor is that template letter about the £60 Link and reporting them to SRA (Solicitors Regulation Authority) 
7. Fill in the template defense Link
8. Make the evidence pack to support your defense 
9. There are only 3 outcomes. You either pay them now, the court makes you pay them, or they don't and you get £95 for your costs (which barely covers the time and trauma, I know) 

As I said I'm new to this myself, so I could be completely wrong but that is my current plan.

Coupon-mad

You could each write witness statements to assist each others' cases at WS & evidence stage, to show that this is not a one off nor driver error.

You could also go and film yourself putting in a pound coin and seeing if it registers.  Great evidence if you could capture proof that the machine is faulty.

dvdccd

Coupon-mad said:

You could each write witness statements to assist each others' cases at WS & evidence stage, to show that this is not a one off nor driver error.

You could also go and film yourself putting in a pound coin and seeing if it registers.  Great evidence if you could capture proof that the machine is faulty.

Mine doesn't exist anymore but I'd happily be a witness if I can help:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/unhc00dzew3t30s/Car Par Pictures.pdf?dl=0 

Le_Kirk

The solicitor has slapped on a made-up fee of £60 that they know is wrong and will show them up in court

The solicitor will say they were only following orders guv, the orders of their client, the parking company.