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ADVICE NEEDED - Can I fight this PCN from Civil Enforcement Ltd!?


I parked in a car park for just less than an hour and didn't think anything of it until I received a letter some time later from Civil Enforcement Limited (CEL) with a charge of £100 (reduced to £60 if paid within the first 2 weeks). I parked on 15th May 2019 between 09.29 - 10.25 and the PCN letter is dated 5th June 2019. Regardless of the 'pay early window', I was out of the country on holiday until 15th June so I didn't read the PCN until I returned home. I soon after received a reminder letter giving me until 9th July 2019 to pay the £100 otherwise debt collectors would get involved.
The follow-up debt collector letters then came in thick and fast between August and October 2019 (from DRP then Zenith), and I didn't reply until late October 2019 (I've attached a PDF of my reply, for information). The costs went up from £100 to £140 first, then £170 were it stands now.
I have now received a letter titled 'LETTER BEFORE ACTION - CLAIM FOR DEBT' dated 28th January 2020 explaining that if I do not pay or respond within 30 days of this date, they (CEL) with commence proceedings which may lead to a court judgement against me.
I have been reading the various threads in the forums over the past week or so and weighing up whether I have an argument to fight this, as I did not see any signage when I first parked (I have since returned to the car park on-foot before I sent my reply letter and spotted signage at the entrance).
I've read the thread on 'Abuse of Process' regarding the additional charges above the initial £100, so at the least could I argue the cost back down to £100? Even then, I am absolutely loathed to have to pay these private parking companies anything but I want to make sure I understand the risk if I choose to argue this and lose in court and could end up paying more than the £170.
Really appreciate anyone's time for reading this and welcome any thoughts or advice. Thanks in anticipation.
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Of course you can fight it. It is usually a scam
The costs went up from £100 to £140 first, then £170 were it stands now.
they are probably asking for an unlawful amount and this alone could persuade a judge t throw the claim out.
There are several other things you can argue, timliness, contract, accreditation, signage, all explained in the dtickies.Nine times out of ten these tickets are scams, so consider complaining to your MP, it can cause the scammer extra costs and work, and has been known to get the charge cancelled.
Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, many of whom are former clampers, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.
Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted
Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies.You never know how far you can go until you go too far.1 -
Assuming you have not contacted the scammers yet, edit your post to remove information about who did what. Only ever refer to The Driver and The Keeper, who are two different people in law. The keeper has protections in law that The Driver does not.
If you have already blabbed to the scammers about the driver's identity then the above is unfortunately irrelevant.
Do this before you do anything else!
Once you have removed the identity of the driver from your post, read the sticky thread for NEWBIES, especially the guide to court written by baregepole you will find in post 2 of the NEWBIES.
What happened when you complained to the landowner?
Have you complained to your MP about this unregulated scam?
Get pics of the site and signage.
Send an SAR as per the NEWBIES to the scammers requesting that they send you all the information they have about you.
I married my cousin. I had to...I don't have a sister.All my screwdrivers are cordless."You're Safety Is My Primary Concern Dear" - Laks1 -
Fruitcake said:Assuming you have not contacted the scammers yet, edit your post to remove information about who did what. Only ever refer to The Driver and The Keeper, who are two different people in law. The keeper has protections in law that The Driver does not.
If you have already blabbed to the scammers about the driver's identity then the above is unfortunately irrelevant.
Do this before you do anything else!What happened when you complained to the landowner?
Have you complained to your MP about this unregulated scam?
Get pics of the site and signage.
Send an SAR as per the NEWBIES to the scammers requesting that they send you all the information they have about you.
I've read the thread about SAR's, but I'm not sure what I am wanting to find out by doing this. What would I do with this information? Is it more to see how serious they are taking the case?
Thanks for the help!0 -
So does the car park belong to a temple? Were occupants of car visiting the temple? Doesn't sound like it from the opening post. But either way, if they are the landowner, complain to them. If they aren't the landowner complain to whoever is!
It might have been better to confirm that you were the keeper and that you were responding as such at the beginning of the appeal. But the driver hasn't actually been identified.
The sign looks as if it is pretty high up, is that so?
Asking for a SAR to see what data the parking company have about you is the first step in preparing for court.0 -
MistyZ said:So does the car park belong to a temple? Were occupants of car visiting the temple? Doesn't sound like it from the opening post. But either way, if they are the landowner, complain to them. If they aren't the landowner complain to whoever is!MistyZ said:The sign looks as if it is pretty high up, is that so?Asking for a SAR to see what data the parking company have about you is the first step in preparing for court.
I will have to re-check the newbies thread now to see what the next recommended action is, but any further advice from anyone would be gratefully received.
Thanks all.0 -
What is the issue date on the claim form and how is the £255.92 amount made up?0
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Yes I wold say the signage is quite high, definitely above head head. They also have a sign at the entrance to the car park, but to be honest I didn't notice this sign as I was focussed on driving my car into the car park. Do you think these points are worth arguing?You know that signs are ALWAYS a major point, from the template defence thread, I hope?
This is easy. Read LOTS of recent CEL threads first and don't forget to add the WONGA sentence to the template defence, telling the Judge about the guy who signed the claim! And yes, it's in another CEL thread on page one RIGHT NOW.PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
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1505grandad said:What is the issue date on the claim form and how is the £255.92 amount made up?
The £255.92 is made up of:
£180.92 amount claimed
£25.00 court fee
£50.00 legal representative's costs1 -
Coupon-mad said:Yes I wold say the signage is quite high, definitely above head head. They also have a sign at the entrance to the car park, but to be honest I didn't notice this sign as I was focussed on driving my car into the car park. Do you think these points are worth arguing?You know that signs are ALWAYS a major point, from the template defence thread, I hope?
This is easy. Read LOTS of recent CEL threads first and don't forget to add the WONGA sentence to the template defence, telling the Judge about the guy who signed the claim! And yes, it's in another CEL thread on page one RIGHT NOW.
I have reviewed and drafted my defence based on your most recent template and pasted below:IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No.: To be added
Between
CIVIL ENFORMCEMENT LIMITED (Claimant)
-and-
(To be added) (Defendant)
__________
DEFENCE
__________
1. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all. It is denied that the driver of the vehicle entered into any contractual agreement, whether express, implied, or by conduct, to pay a ‘parking charge’ to the Claimant.
2. In relation to parking on private land, it is settled law from the Supreme Court, that a parking charge must be set at a level which includes recovery of the costs of operating a scheme. However, this Claimant is claiming a global sum of £180.92. This figure is a penalty, far exceeding the £85 parking charge in the ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis case.
3. The global sum claimed is unconscionable and it was not shown in large lettering on any consumer signs, and it is averred that the charge offends against Schedule 2 of the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (‘the CRA’), where s71(2) creates a duty on the Court to consider the fairness of a consumer contract. The court’s attention is drawn (but not limited to) parts 6, 10, 14 and 18 of the list of terms that are likely to be unfair.
4. Even if the Claimant had shown the global sum claimed in the largest font on clear and prominent signs - which is denied - they are attempting double recovery of costs. The sum exceeds the maximum amount which can be recovered from a registered keeper, as prescribed in Schedule 4, Section 4(5) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (‘the POFA’). It is worth noting that in the Beavis case where the driver was known, the Supreme Court considered and referred more than once to the POFA.
5. Claims pleaded on this basis by multiple parking firms have routinely been struck out ab initio in various County Court areas in England and Wales since 2019. Recent examples are appended to this defence; a February 2020 Order from District Judge Fay Wright, sitting at Skipton County Court (Appendix A) and a similar Order from Deputy District Judge Josephs, sitting at Warwick County Court (Appendix
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6. Applications by AOS member parking firms to try to reach the usually low threshold to set aside multiple strike-out orders have been reviewed by more than one area Circuit Judge, including His Honour Iain Hughes QC, occasioning District Judge Grand at Southampton to hear submissions from a barrister on 11th November 2019. The court refused to set aside the Orders and, tellingly, no appeal was made.
7. The Judge found that the claims - both trying to claim £160, with some ten or more similar cases stayed - represented an abuse of process that ‘tainted’ each claim. It was held to be not in the public interest for a court to let such claims proceed and merely disallow £60 in a case-by-case basis, thus restricting and reserving the proper application of the relevant consumer rights legislation only for those relatively few consumers who reach hearing stage. That Judgment is appended (Appendix C).
8. The CCBC and/or the allocated Court Judge is invited to read the Appendices at the earliest opportunity. The Defendant avers that parking firm claims which add a duplicitous ‘costs’ sum to the parking charge are now easily identified to be unlawful. Such claims are against the public interest, requiring no further assessment, and listing such cases for trial should be avoided. The Court is invited to exercise its case management powers pursuant to CPR 3.4 to strike out this claim, which is entirely tainted by abuse of process and breaches of the CRA.
9. Should this claim continue, the Claimant will no doubt try to mislead the court by pointing to their Trade Association ‘ATA’ Code of Practice (‘CoP’) that now includes a hastily-added clause 'allowing' added costs/damages. The Defendant points out that the CoP is a self-serving document, written in the parking firms’ interests. Further, the ‘admin fee’ model was reportedly invented by a member of the British Parking Association Board, Gary Osner, whose previous firm, Roxburghe (UK) Limited, folded after being declared ‘unfit’ by the Office of Fair Trading who refused to renew their consumer credit licence due to ‘unfair and misleading’ business practices. Mr Osner states in an article that has been in the public domain since 2018: ''I created the model of ‘admin fees’ for debt recovery because ticket value was so low that nobody would make any money. Parking is business and business is about money, after all.''
10. The two competing ‘race to the bottom’ ATAs have engineered a veil of legitimacy to protect this industry for too long. They are not regulators and have failed consumers so badly, that Parliament is currently working on replacing them with a new CoP overseen by the Secretary of State, following the enactment of the Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019. Many courts have now recognised that a predatory parking firm Claimant using unfair and predatory business practices and inflating their claims with false ‘admin fees’, is not the ‘innocent party’ in a dispute. In stark contrast to the BPA Board member’s mindset, the will of Parliament as set out in the new 2019 Act is very much consumer-focussed, aiming for: ''good practice...in the operation or management of private parking facilities as appears to the Secretary of State to be desirable having regard to the interests of persons using such facilities.''
11. In the alternative, the defence is prejudiced and the court is invited to note that, contrary to the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, the Letter Before Claim omitted evidence of any breach and failed to append the wording of the sign or consumer notice. Further, the Particulars of Claim are embarrassing and incoherent, lacking specificity re the location of the event and status of the contracting parties and failing to detail any conduct or liability that could give rise to a cause of action. There is insufficient detail to ascertain the nature, basis and facts of the case but the sum claimed includes unrecoverable costs/damages and is clearly an abuse of process.
12. The court is invited to note that the Beavis case would not have passed had it been pleaded in damages by ParkingEye, and the penalty rule applies to charges that are penal or unconscionable in their construction. The Supreme Court held at [14] ‘‘where a contract contains an obligation on one party to perform an act, and also provides that, if he does not perform it, he will pay the other party a specified sum of money, the obligation to pay the specified sum is a secondary obligation which is capable of being a penalty.’’ And at [99] ‘‘the penalty rule is plainly engaged.’
13. Unlike in this case, ParkingEye demonstrated a commercial justification for their £85 parking charge which included all operational costs and was constructed in such a way and offered on such ‘brief and clear’ signs with terms set in the interests of the landowner, that they were able to overcome the real possibility of the charge being struck out as penal and unrecoverable. The unintended consequence is that, rather than persuade courts considering other cases that all parking charges are automatically justified, the Beavis case facts and pleadings set a high bar that other claims fail to reach. Unusually for this industry, it is worth noting that ParkingEye do not add false ‘debt letter costs/damages’ to their parking charges and as a consequence, their own claims have escaped any reports of being summarily struck out.
14. This Claimant has failed to plead their case, or to set out their terms or construct their contractual charges in the same way as in Beavis and the penalty rule remains firmly engaged. Paraphrasing from the Supreme Court, deterrence is likely to be penal if there is a lack of an overriding legitimate interest in performance extending beyond the prospect of compensation flowing directly from the alleged breach. The intention cannot be to punish drivers nor to present a motorist with concealed pitfalls or traps, nor to claim an unconscionable total sum.
15. Should this poorly pleaded claim not be summarily struck out for any/all of the reasons stated above, the Defendant sets out this defence as clearly as possible in the circumstances, insofar as the facts below are known.
16. It is not accepted that the location included prominent signs giving ‘adequate notice’ of the onerous parking charge. A compliant Notice to Keeper (‘NTK’) was not properly served in strict accordance with section 8 or 9 (as the case may be) of the POFA.
17. There was inadequate signage displayed which made it difficult for the driver to take notice of parking instructions and therefore be issued with a parking charge notice. This conveniently fits into the private parking company’s business model for how they make money in a predatory manner.
18. The Claimant’s signs have vague/hidden terms and a mix of small font, such that they would be considered incapable of binding any person reading them under common contract law, and would also be considered void pursuant to Schedule 2 of the CRA. Consequently, it is the Defendant’s position that no contract to pay an onerous penalty was entered into with the Claimant, whether express, implied, or by conduct.
19. The Beavis case is fully distinguished and a more relevant list of binding Court of Appeal authorities which are on all fours with a case involving unclear terms and a lack of ‘adequate notice’ of an onerous parking charge, would include:
(i) Spurling v Bradshaw [1956] 1 WLR 461 and (ii) Thornton v Shoe Lane Parking Ltd [1970] EWCA Civ 2, both leading examples of the ‘red hand’ rule - i.e. that an unseen/hidden clause cannot be incorporated after a contract has been concluded; and
(iii) Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest: CA 5 Apr 2000, where the Court of Appeal held that it was unsurprising that the appellant did not see the sign ''in view of the absence of any notice on the wall opposite the southern parking space''.
20. Further and in the alternative, the Claimant is put to strict proof that it has sufficient proprietary interest in the land, or the necessary landowner authorisation to issue PCNs under these circumstances and to pursue keepers by means of civil litigation. It is not accepted that the Claimant has adhered to the landholder's definitions, exemptions, grace period, other terms (or instructions to cancel charges due to a surge of complaints) and there is no evidence that the freeholder authorises this particular Claimant (Companies House lists their company number as 05645677). Any purported landowner 'contract' which fails to properly identify the two contracting parties and/or which is in any way redacted (including the signatories, which in some parking claims have been revealed not to be that of the landowner) should be disregarded, along with any undated and/or unsubstantiated records, documents, boundary maps or aerial views, or photos which are capable of manipulation.
21. Filing a spurious claim is wholly unreasonable, but perhaps not unexpected, given the meritless claim was filed by Scott Wilson 'Head of Legal and Compliance at Creative Car Park Ltd' but previously boasting in his LinkedIn profile of being 'Commercial and Legal Manager' at Wonga.com.
For any or all of the reasons stated above, the Court is invited to dismiss this claim.
22. In the matter of costs. If the claim is not struck out, the Defendant seeks:
(a) standard witness costs for attendance at Court, pursuant to CPR 27.14, and
(b) the Court to reserve, assess and award the Defendant’s Summary Costs Assessment, to be filed and served at Witness Statement stage in anticipation of a typical late Notice of Discontinuance (‘NoD’) from this Claimant.
23. At NoD stage, or at a hearing if the case proceeds that far, the Court will be taken to facts to support a finding of wholly unreasonable conduct by this Claimant. Pursuant to CPR 46.5, whilst indemnity costs cannot exceed two thirds of the applicable rate if using legal representation, the Defendant notes that LiP costs are not necessarily capped at £19 ph. The Defendant will ask for a fairly assessed rate for the hours spent on this case, referencing Spencer & anor v Paul Jones Financial Services Ltd.
24. In summary, the Claimant's Particulars disclose no legal basis for the sum claimed. This Claimant knew, or should have known, that an exaggerated ‘parking charge’ claim where the alleged ‘debt’ exceeds the £100 ATA CoP ceiling is disallowed under the CPRs, the Beavis case, the POFA and the CRA, The Judge in the instant case is taken to the Appendices, demonstrating that several court areas continue to summarily strike out private parking cases that include an extravagant and unlawful costs sum.
Statement of Truth
I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true.
Defendant’s signature: ……………To be added……………….…………………………….
Defendant’s name: ……………To be added……………….…………………………….
Date: ……………To be added……………….…………………………….
Any comments or changes welcome. Thanks very much in advance!0 -
CIVIL ENFORMCEMENT LIMITED (Claimant) - spelling error needs amending
Para 2 - " However, this Claimant is claiming a global sum of £180.92." - no doubt the experts will comment that the global amount is £170?.
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