Notice To Keeper but ignored my appeal

Hello all.
Apparently I got a windscreen ticket from UKPC back in November. However, it was a terrible day weather-wise with driving rain and wind. As the picture showed the ticket in the middle of my windscreen and not tucked under the wiper, I presume it had just blown off in the gale before I returned; and the first I knew about it was when I got a Parking Charge letter six weeks later. I waited about 25 days as you suggest, before appealing with the template provided, but within three further days have already received a NTK with no reference to my online appeal at all. Not sure what my next move should be.
Any advice gratefully received. Thanks.
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  • trisontanatrisontana Forumite
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    Dragnetboy wrote: »
    Hello all.
    Apparently I got a windscreen ticket from UKPC back in November. However, it was a terrible day weather-wise with driving rain and wind. As the picture showed the ticket in the middle of my windscreen and not tucked under the wiper, I presume it had just blown off in the gale before I returned; and the first I knew about it was when I got a Parking Charge letter six weeks later. I waited about 25 days as you suggest, before appealing with the template provided, but within three further days have already received a NTK with no reference to my online appeal at all. Not sure what my next move should be.
    Any advice gratefully received. Thanks.

    Please read the post above yours and start your own thread!
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  • Ralph-yRalph-y Forumite
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    hi, and welcome to the forum ........

    there will be plenty for you to read up on ...

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  • edited 1 February 2020 at 10:16PM
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    edited 1 February 2020 at 10:16PM
    UKPC don't issue three documents:

    windscreen PCN
    postal 'PCN'
    postal 'NTK'

    ...unless they did their usual typo in the windscreen PCN and the middle 'PCN' on the above lost was one that 'superseded' the first erroneous one.

    This is played out in pretty much every other UKPC thread, happens ALL the time and it means that the postal PCN arrived too late for keeper liability. Sadly POPLA are terrible at understanding that simple piece of legislation so it will need spelling out to them, but this has been done on other threads for you to read and copy, so start searching & reading.

    You can view all the photos on the UKPC website so do that now and save copies while you can. And then wait for the rejection letter as you say you already appealed as keeper.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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  • edited 4 February 2020 at 9:17AM
    The_DeepThe_Deep Forumite
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    edited 4 February 2020 at 9:17AM
    UKPC are fraudster, read this

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11858473/Parking-firm-UKPC-admits-faking-tickets-to-fine-drivers.html

    [FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Nine times out of ten these tickets are scams, so consider complaining to your MP, it can cause the scammer extra costs and work, and has been known to get the charge cancelled.

    Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, many of whom are former clampers, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.

    Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.

    [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]

    Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies.[/FONT][/FONT]
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  • DragnetboyDragnetboy Forumite
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    Thank you both. It's difficult to prove that I didn't get the original windscreen copy. How does that ever work? I've been trying to search for any 'grace' periods that they have to adhere to, as I know I wasn't away from the car for more than ten minutes; and all the photos of my car and the surrounding area/signs were taken in precisely 34 seconds! They're efficient, I'll give them that!
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    They're efficient, I'll give them that!
    That's one of the last words we'd use about UKPC.

    Stop posting about who parked and who 'wasn't away from the car for long'!

    I really hope you did appeal as registered keeper and not add stuff like you keep posting here blabbing about being the driver and ruining your best POPLA appeal point.
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  • Le_KirkLe_Kirk Forumite
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    Dragnetboy wrote: »
    Thank you both. It's difficult to prove that I didn't get the original windscreen copy. How does that ever work? I've been trying to search for any 'grace' periods that they have to adhere to, as I know I wasn't away from the car for more than ten minutes; and all the photos of my car and the surrounding area/signs were taken in precisely 34 seconds! They're efficient, I'll give them that!
    It is not up to you to prove that you didn't have a windscreen PCN (how do you prove a negative anyway?) it is the PPC's job to PROVE you did, i.e. they placed one on your windscreen. This is one of your POPLA points.
  • DragnetboyDragnetboy Forumite
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    Never fear, I have been scrupulously non-committal about who was driving and how long they were or were not away. All the info here is strictly for this site to give you good people a bit of back story, as it were. I have appealed as the registered keeper and nothing more.
  • KeithPKeithP Forumite
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    Dragnetboy wrote: »
    All the info here is strictly for this site...
    You're kidding, aren't you?

    This is the internet -- the world wide web.

    This is a public forum and the whole world is free to read everything posted here.

    The parking companies are known to trawl this forum just waiting for people to trip themselves up and can try and use your posts against you.
  • DoaMDoaM Forumite
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    As the OP hasn't mentioned a VRM, location, date or time, and the OP's forum name won't reflect their real name (I doubt he's called Dragnet Boy ;)) then the way the OP is worded is fine (for now).

    The thrust of the advice is correct though. :)
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