Being filmed like a criminal.

VfM4meplse

Mistral001 wrote: »

No offense meant, but a hypocrite IS an @rsehole in many people's eyes.

The labels are not mutually exclusive.

Goes off in search of other nits to pick...;)

ChrisK....._3

They're there to catch criminals, law abiders have nothing to fear. People are not entitled to commit their first crime anonymously

Mr_Singleton wrote: »

Last week was doing some laps of Regents Park and afterwards popped into the Sainsbury's in Camden Town for some water. To my surprise the there are individual cameras on each of the self service checkout filming you with an LCD screen so you can see yourself. Have been told that it's the same in Asda and Tesco. Why do people put up with It? It's bad enough that they've done away wih 85% of the checkout operators now this!

Has anyone seen the cameras in an Waitrose or M&S coz when they do I'm converting to online shopping for the tiny bit I do. Yet another reason to use local independents!

VfM4meplse

Mr_Singleton wrote: »

Agreed no shoplifting is OK but is it pushing prices up or pushing profits down?

No business is going to want to shoulder these losses if they can be passed down to the customer. We'll know this is the case when they all install the machines and remove that variable from the shopper's decision about their choice of supermarket.

Here in Essex, stolen meat is apparently a big deal - its said to be sold off for cash in pubs by upstanding members of our local drug addict community. Not something I know about from personal experience as I don't eat meat, visit pubs or take drugs!

VJsmum

Mistral001 wrote: »

No offense meant, but a hypocrite IS an @rsehole in many people's eyes.

"No offense..."

Unless we live off the land, don't travel and don't buy anything at all, we are all, to some extent, hypocrites. Whether you are an @rsehole is whether you care or not and attempt to address it

Slinky

Copied from Facebook, a lady called M Judd:


Yesterday after shopping in our local supermarket, I was in the queue at the Check Out, and heard when the young cashier suggested to the much older lady that she should bring her own grocery bags, because plastic bags are not good for the environment.
The woman apologised to the young girl & then sighed, "We didn't have this 'green thing' back in my earlier days."
The young clerk responded, "That's our problem today. You folk didn't do enough to save our environment for future generations."
The older lady said "Ahh yes you're right -- our generation didn't have the "green thing" in its day." She sighed then continued:
Back then, we returned milk bottles, lemonade bottles & beer bottles to the shops. The shops then sent them back to the plant to be washed, sterilized & refilled, so those same bottles were used over & over, thus REALLY were recycled. But we didn't have the "green thing" back in our day.
Grocery stores put our groceries into brown paper bags that we reused for numerous things. Most memorable was the use of brown paper bags as book covers for our school books. This was to ensure that public property (the books provided for our use by the school) were not defaced by our scribblings. Then we were able to personalise our books on their brown paper bag/covers. But, too bad we didn't do the "green thing" back then.
I remember how we walked up stairs because we didn't have an escalator in every store or office building; walked to the grocery store & didn't climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go 200 yards.
. . . But she was right. We didn't have the "green thing" in our day.
Back then we washed the baby's nappies because we didn't have the throw away kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy-gobbling machine burning up 220 volts. Wind & solar power really did dry our clothes back in our days. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing. . . . But that young lady is right; we didn't have the "green thing" back in our day.
Back then we had one radio, in the house -- not a TV in every room. And if anyone did own a TV, it had a small screen the size of a handkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size of a football pitch. When cooking we blended & stirred by hand coz we didn't have electric machines to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile item to send by post, we used layers of old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap. Back then, we didn't fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power. We exercised by working so we didn't need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity., , , , But she's right; we didn't have the "green thing" back then.
We drank from a tap or fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, & we replaced the razor blade in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull. But we didn't have the "green thing" back then. Back then, people took the bus & kids rode bikes to school or walked instead of turning their mothers into a 24-hour taxi service in the family's expensive car or van, which cost what a whole house did before the "green thing"..
Oh and we had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn't need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 23,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest leisure park.
. . . . But it so sad this current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn't have the "green thing" back then? . . . I think you should forward this on to another selfish old person who needs a lesson in conservation from some smart !!! young person. .. ...
We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to !!!! us off... Especially from a tattooed, multiple pierced smart !!! who can't make change without the cash register telling them how much.

balabooberlies

Wow

Well said................

My Aunty (late 60's) has always said that if everything went to pot she would always be able to cook and wash because give her an old steel bin.........or any metal plate.....and she can light fires. She can also forage. She can sew, knit, crochet. I have seen her turn many a thing into something that is sometimes more useful. Incredible lady. She grew up poor.

Slightly off topic but something that has been mentioned here......this constant need for water. We don't need to drink as much as we think we do because if we are eating healthily our foods, fruit and salads and veg, are full of water and our body extracts it for appropriate use. Amazing how the body works.

Watched a programme many years ago when this craze for buying bottled water was in full swing. A lady was sipping 2-4 litres a day. At home, at work, on the bus, walking etc. She became quite unwell. Her hair was falling out, her feminine cycles had stopped, aching bones. It was discovered that she had essentially washed her hormones away......

So. A lesson for moderation.

I wouldn't like those cameras in my face because I really don't like them at all..........and yes they can be manipulated.

Banksy did an excellent installation in a shop window of a cot with about 10 different cameras pointing at it. Says it all really.........

But I would just shop somewhere else and in fact do because I like to encourage local businesses. I even buy my milk in bottles. Not MSE as it is more expensive but we have to make our choices. As long as we have enough money to make that choice.

euronorris

Whilst it is true that older generations did have a more green approach to a lot of things, the younger generation (at least 37 and younger) also didn't create the throw away society or mentality. We grew up with it. Most of us have now realised that it is unsustainable and are working to correct it, and introduce better habits.


The example given also doesn't make much sense as it starts: The woman apologised to the young girl & then sighed, "We didn't have this 'green thing' back in my earlier days."


I'm pretty sure that a lot of the older generation were very used to taking bags of some descript with them, as they would have needed to before the supermarkets ever made them free on a mass scale.


Indeed, it then goes on to say:


"Grocery stores put our groceries into brown paper bags that we reused for numerous things. Most memorable was the use of brown paper bags as book covers for our school books. " completely contradicting itself.


It also ends with a nastiness:


"Especially from a tattooed, multiple pierced smart !!! who can't make change without the cash register telling them how much."


It's very divisive. And it's not original. It's been copied by umpteen different people sharing it and trying to claim it as their own.


And it's all about trying to lay the blame somewhere. Blame isn't going to help overcome the problem, so what's the point?! We should all just go about recognising changes we can make for the better, and do it.

Slinky

I think the 'we didn't have the 'green thing' back in my earlier years' is a reference to giving the green thing way of life a label.



How previous generations lived was just more environmentally friendly in the normal course of ordinary living, not having to make active choices in the way that we do now of do I buy loose apples, or do I buy the bagged apples that are cheaper.

[Deleted User]

Can I add my tuppence worth? I'm almost 72 and have always been aware of the 'environment' and have always taken rubbish home, not dumped it where I stand, have always repurposed plastic carriers if I've been forced into taking them, have always cared for the countryside, sown wild flower meadows, done shore clear ups, picked up discarded rubbish when I walked the dogs or went to the park/on roadside kerbs in the places we lived and still do today. We weren't 'aware' back in the 1940s/50s/60s/70s of the damage that plastics and the throw away society was doing to this world, it was the norm to take things and get rid of them BUT as awareness grew I and many of my peers learned and acted on what we learned and still do today. I've shopped with a rucksack and reusable cloth bags for decades, we have aluminium water bottles and waxed canvas sandwich wraps and reusable metal cutlery and have had for decades, we turn off lights if we leave rooms and we close doors if we go into rooms to keep them warm, we run the heating as little as possible because we put on extra layers if it gets cold and we've installed a dedicated wood burning stove with the latest low emission output it's possible to buy in 2020 and it will conform to the new standards that are soon coming in to force which we light in the evenings, we recycle everything it's possible to recycle, we get milk in reusable glass bottles from the milkman, we use charity shops for new clothing (new to us) to save new things having to be made third world, we eat a great deal of vegetarian/vegan food and we grow our own fruit and veg as much as we can, we have a compost heap so we don't put waste veg etc. into the food bin we make food for the things we grow with it. Don't blame us for being older, it will be interesting to see what those who are being born this year will find to say about you 20/30 somethings and you own habits today when they get to be in their 30s won't it?

euronorris

I'm not blaming anyone. I haven't said anything of the sort. But equally, find it very unfair to pin the blame on the younger generation, many of whom grew up with parents setting the 'throw away mentality' as the example.


Truth be told, I don't think it is a problem created by any generation really, or at least not one on it's own. More one that has been created by big companies all in the name of profit. Individuals are certainly not innocent, but companies purposely building faults into their products, or redundancies (as is often seen in mobile phones and computers for example), as well as poorer quality of products, has certainly not helped the problem. After all, it's more profitable to have someone buy a new vacuum every few years, than it is to have them only buy 1/2 in their lifetime.