Massive majority for the Tories, Goodbye housing crash for now

MaxiRobriguez

RelievedSheff wrote: »

I think people just want Brexit over and done with so that as a country we can move on.

Corbyn's main failing was to challenge the image that a Conservative majority would mean we could all stop discussing Brexit in January.

The withdrawal will pass parliament and technically we'll be out of the EU sure, but we'll still be in the single market and customs union for a likely 3 years or more and the news will just be post-Brexit-trade-agreements for years and years. It isn't going to go away.

nigelbb

jimi_man wrote: »

So what's the alternative? If you did it on number of votes cast then Tories would still have won quite convincingly. Or proportional representation? The Tories would still have had the most seats but not an overall majority, so another hung parliament/Coalition - which tends to be a feature of PR. However there was a vote for PR a few years back and it was rejected.

The Alternative Vote scheme as proposed in the 2011 referendum is not PR.

On votes cast the Tories got a lot less than 50% of the vote even if you add in their friends in the Brexit Party PLC. The distribution of votes cast to seats won is wildly unfair

The SNP got one seat for every 25,883 votes
The Tories got one seat for every 38,300 votes
Plaid Cymru got one seat for every 38,316 votes
Labour got one seat for every 50,700 votes
Lib Dems got one seat for every 334,122 votes
The Greens got one seat for every 864,743 votes
The Brexit Party got no seats yet received 642,303 votes

MaxiRobriguez

FPTP is archaic and needs to go.

Green's and BXP are so disenfranchised it's untrue.

jimi_man

nigelbb wrote: »

The Alternative Vote scheme as proposed in the 2011 referendum is not PR.

On votes cast the Tories got a lot less than 50% of the vote even if you add in their friends in the Brexit Party PLC. The distribution of votes cast to seats won is wildly unfair

The SNP got one seat for every 25,883 votes
The Tories got one seat for every 38,300 votes
Plaid Cymru got one seat for every 38,316 votes
Labour got one seat for every 50,700 votes
Lib Dems got one seat for every 334,122 votes
The Greens got one seat for every 864,743 votes
The Brexit Party got no seats yet received 642,303 votes

I'm guessing that if the Tories hadn't got in today, then you probably wouldn't have been unhappy about the voting system.

benbay001

You may not like FPTP but its very effective at delivering workable majorities that are able to get stuff done, especially when compared to the alternatives that other countries use where they end up in a constant cycle of weak coalitions (See Spain)


Even with PR, how would the result look? A Labour party backed up by every other party in the parliament except Cons? Wow, sounds effective. We would probably be having another GE in the next 6 months.


As for me, I couldn't be happier about the result.

nigelbb

jimi_man wrote: »

I'm guessing that if the Tories hadn't got in today, then you probably wouldn't have been unhappy about the voting system.

On the contrary ever since I was first old enough to vote (getting on for 50 years) I have thought that FPTP is unfair & should be replaced by a form of PR. I have only twice in my life voted in an election where I thought that my vote actually counted & more often than not it wasn't my choice for MP who was elected.

nigelbb

benbay001 wrote: »

You may not like FPTP but its very effective at delivering workable majorities that are able to get stuff done, especially when compared to the alternatives that other countries use where they end up in a constant cycle of weak coalitions (See Spain)

Almost every other country in Europe has PR either party list or STV. Germany, Sweden, Norway, Denmark etc don't seem to suffer from a constant cycle of weak coalitions. That's more a reflection of genuine divisions in the country rather than PR eg Belgium so imposing a solution by an undemocratic minority vote using FPTP as an alternative doesn't seem a great solution either

benbay001 wrote: »

Even with PR, how would the result look? A Labour party backed up by every other party in the parliament except Cons? Wow, sounds effective. We would probably be having another GE in the next 6 months.

That's the way PR works. The number of seats in parliament reflect the number of votes cast so anomalies & gerrymandering & the imposition of a government on a minority of votes doesn't happen as with FPTP. It's fairer & a better reflection of the intentions of the electorate. Ultimately it's more democratic so those who vote Green (except in Brighton) or Brexit Party aren't disenfranchised.

kinger101

Splatfoot wrote: »

Do not understand how people can be happy about this. I despair really. Everything is in crisis. They cut from people that are in need causing heartache. But that's cool, this I'm alright Jack attitude makes me feel a bit sick.

This is what I don't understand about people who vote for Corbyn. They see all these people in need. But they're not prepared to pay a penny more in tax themselves. Someone else whom they've decided in sufficiently rich can pay.

kinger101

triathlon wrote: »

What is it about democracy that so many of you people fail to understand, it was "people" that overwhelmingly gave Boris a mandate.

I am happy for one, and I am sure many others are

No party ever gets an overwhelming mandate. Even this "landslide" was 43.6 % of the popular vote.

GDB2222

benbay001 wrote: »

As for me, I couldn't be happier about the result.

You actually want a prime minister who behaves like a buffoon, lies habitually, and has the sexual morals of an alley cat?

Surely, even the most ardent Conservative Brexiteer wants someone with a bit more integrity than Boris?