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Coastalwatch

silverwhistle said:

Martyn1981 said:

Can't explain why, but this article simply tickled me, perhaps it's because it's such a silly 'record', or because the photo shows a whole building length of chargers. Vive la difference.

Tesla opens its ‘longest’ Supercharger station in the world

We've often filled up with diesel and croissants there: a handy stop just off the A6. The chargers are open to other brands too, so there's still hope of a few croissants next time..

S'funny, but we were away at the weekend and also came across a similar set up too. In nowhere near as exotic a location as that above or with that number of chargers. The chargers were of a well known brand and in the car park of a well known Supermarket north of Oxford. Afraid no croissants on sale but did purchase a couple of pasties as there was no cost for actually charging at the 7kW rate on offer.

Needed to attend an AGM close by so left the EV to it. Came back an hour later and it was still charging. There was no information regarding how long the car could be hooked up for so I went inside to ask what the protocol might be. The manageress stating that the chargers were of no interest to themselves having been set up by a third party and that provided I didn't contravene the 3 hour duration for the car park there was no other limit! I was about a quarter of an hour shy of that by the time I returned with the Leaf showing 100% charge we made our way being very grateful to them. Whereas, upon arrival at noon only one other of the six bays were taken, by the time we set off all six were in use with another waiting. Obviously proving to be quite a popular shopping location!

Must have been top quality, five star leccy too, as we completed the 155 miles home with 16 remaining, the longest journey the Leaf has made without a stop for recharging.

Having charged entirely by sunshine prior to leaving and then being fortunate to top up for the journey home FOC, the total cost for the 310 miles completed came to £10.49 for the charge at a well known Xtra service area on the M40 on the way there when zero temps and a full load contributed to the planned for stop.

Martyn1981

Pure silliness, but did another kitty litter run today, I've forgotten to post the last ones. Only 150kgs this time, supplies of pellets are running low, since so much comes from Ukraine.

So the uphill leg (Cardiff to Ebbw Vale) clocked in at 332Wh/mile, and the return downhill leg was 183Wh/mile. I still find it interesting how a difference of 400metres makes such a difference over 32 miles (each way) (sorry for mixing metric and imperial).

I must try a run in Eco mode sometime, and see how much difference that makes.

JKenH

Possibly your battery was warmer for the return leg?

JKenH

Coastalwatch said:

silverwhistle said:

Martyn1981 said:

Can't explain why, but this article simply tickled me, perhaps it's because it's such a silly 'record', or because the photo shows a whole building length of chargers. Vive la difference.

Tesla opens its ‘longest’ Supercharger station in the world

We've often filled up with diesel and croissants there: a handy stop just off the A6. The chargers are open to other brands too, so there's still hope of a few croissants next time..

S'funny, but we were away at the weekend and also came across a similar set up too. In nowhere near as exotic a location as that above or with that number of chargers. The chargers were of a well known brand and in the car park of a well known Supermarket north of Oxford. Afraid no croissants on sale but did purchase a couple of pasties as there was no cost for actually charging at the 7kW rate on offer.

Needed to attend an AGM close by so left the EV to it. Came back an hour later and it was still charging. There was no information regarding how long the car could be hooked up for so I went inside to ask what the protocol might be. The manageress stating that the chargers were of no interest to themselves having been set up by a third party and that provided I didn't contravene the 3 hour duration for the car park there was no other limit! I was about a quarter of an hour shy of that by the time I returned with the Leaf showing 100% charge we made our way being very grateful to them. Whereas, upon arrival at noon only one other of the six bays were taken, by the time we set off all six were in use with another waiting. Obviously proving to be quite a popular shopping location!

Must have been top quality, five star leccy too, as we completed the 155 miles home with 16 remaining, the longest journey the Leaf has made without a stop for recharging.

Having charged entirely by sunshine prior to leaving and then being fortunate to top up for the journey home FOC, the total cost for the 310 miles completed came to £10.49 for the charge at a well known Xtra service area on the M40 on the way there when zero temps and a full load contributed to the planned for stop.

That’s good, for what a 4 year old Leaf, compared to 168 official range when new 

Martyn1981

Martyn1981 said:

orrery said:

JKenH said:

Once the current supply crisis is over then those sort of discounts will reappear on less popular ICE models.

... and as we approach a more mature EV market, we'll see routine discounts appear there too, but this may take some while.

There are a lot of things that we just can't factor in, because we just don't know. What will happen to s/h and residual prices of ICE and EVs as we approach 2030? We may see ICE prices firm up, as people dash to grab an ICE before the deadline, but we may have already started to see ICE prices fall as garages close and petrol prices start to climb.

I've just got an Enyaq on a 4 year PCP, so that will go back as s/h in 2026, so these dates are approaching fast.

And ironically, we may also have to consider rising ICEV costs as manufacturers lose profitability on ICEV lines as sales fall. Profits aren't linear, and tend to be made on the top 10% or 20% of sales, with the other sales covering costs.

I don't know if this is possible, but legacy auto may try to drop some models, hoping to maintain sales number on the remaining lines. Better to lose one out of 10 lines, than lose 10% of sales across all lines?

But the disaster rapidly approaching for legacy, is that they can't ramp up BEV sales as fast as ICEV sales fall, thus maintaining revenue and profits to fund BEV investment. Going to be a tough decade for legacy auto as we head for a tipping point where it's simply a bad investment to buy an ICEV, which could result in ever faster falling demand for ICEV's and lack of profits and cashflow just when they need it most.

Gosh, only took VWG a week to follow my advice:

VW to scrap models and focus on premium market -CFO tells FT

Antlitz said VW would reduce its range of petrol and diesel cars, consisting of at least 100 models spread across several brands, by 60% in Europe over the next eight years.

Dear VWG, whilst I have your ear, may I suggest you front load that 8yr plan before things get (more) painful.

michaels

Martyn1981 said:

Pure silliness, but did another kitty litter run today, I've forgotten to post the last ones. Only 150kgs this time, supplies of pellets are running low, since so much comes from Ukraine.

So the uphill leg (Cardiff to Ebbw Vale) clocked in at 332Wh/mile, and the return downhill leg was 183Wh/mile. I still find it interesting how a difference of 400metres makes such a difference over 32 miles (each way) (sorry for mixing metric and imperial).

I must try a run in Eco mode sometime, and see how much difference that makes.

You should be able to do a gravitational potential Energy calc based on the weight of the car, convert to kwh, subtract from the energy use on the way out, add to the way back and hopefully you will be in balance....

Superscrooge

Martyn1981 said:

Pure silliness, but did another kitty litter run today, I've forgotten to post the last ones. Only 150kgs this time, supplies of pellets are running low, since so much comes from Ukraine.

So the uphill leg (Cardiff to Ebbw Vale) clocked in at 332Wh/mile, and the return downhill leg was 183Wh/mile. I still find it interesting how a difference of 400metres makes such a difference over 32 miles (each way) (sorry for mixing metric and imperial).

I must try a run in Eco mode sometime, and see how much difference that makes.

400 metres height change averaged out over 32 miles would be approx 1% slope. I would use a lot less energy pushing an EV DOWN a 1% slope than I would trying to push it UP a 1% slope    

JKenH

Nissan Moves Ahead With ‘Game-Changing’ Solid-State Batteries For Electric Cars

Nissan has joined numerous other manufacturers in the development of solid state batteries but strangely Tesla is opting to stick with conventional lithium ion battery technology. A similar pattern here to ICE manufacturers dismissing EVs until it is too late while others move in and steal their markets? Toyota were pioneers in electrification of cars with the Prius then got left behind when PHEVs and BEVs hit the market. History has a habit of repeating itself. 

Nissan believes that it can reduce the price of automotive batteries to $75 per kWh in 2028 and then to $65 per kWh thereafter, bringing the price of EVs to the same level as internal-combustion vehicles.

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/04/nissan-invests-in-solid-state-batteries-with-new-prototype-production-facility/

JKenH

Gridserve completes upgrade of all its chargers on UK motorways

Since June 2021, more than 300 medium-power Electric Highway chargers at over 130 motorway service areas run by Extra, Moto, Roadchef, Welcome Break and Westmorland, have been replaced by Gridserve, and now provide contactless card payment, 24-hour support and real-time status updates.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6072181/battery-electric-vehicle-news-thread/p434

ABrass

JKenH said:

Nissan Moves Ahead With ‘Game-Changing’ Solid-State Batteries For Electric Cars

Nissan has joined numerous other manufacturers in the development of solid state batteries but strangely Tesla is opting to stick with conventional lithium ion battery technology. A similar pattern here to ICE manufacturers dismissing EVs until it is too late while others move in and steal their markets? Toyota were pioneers in electrification of cars with the Prius then got left behind when PHEVs and BEVs hit the market. History has a habit of repeating itself. 

Nissan believes that it can reduce the price of automotive batteries to $75 per kWh in 2028 and then to $65 per kWh thereafter, bringing the price of EVs to the same level as internal-combustion vehicles.

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/04/nissan-invests-in-solid-state-batteries-with-new-prototype-production-facility/

Nissan unveiled a prototype production facility for the laminated all-solid-state battery cells it hopes to bring to market in 2028. 

2028 is a long way out. And so far no solid state batteries have met the predicted release dates 

Plus, Tesla are still cell constrained. If solid state batteries take off then they'll just buy them as well as all the rest.