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thevilla

I'm sure 80% Audi, BMW and Merc drivers will quickly adjust to the indicator change

Martyn1981

Thought I'd post the August Norway numbers article from Cleantechnica, as it has the fleet transition graph in it this month.

So, 90% of August's car sales were PEV's, and the figure for the fleet as a whole is now at about 30%. With PEV's (mostly BEV's) selling 90%+ going forward, the fleet should transition at around 5%-6% pa going forward.

EVs At 90% Share In Norway — Tesla Model Y Best Seller

August saw combined EVs at 90% share in Norway, comprising 83.5% full electrics (BEVs), and 6.5% plugin hybrids (PHEVs). These compare with YoY figures of 86.1%, 74.9%, and 11.3%, respectively. We can see that BEVs have gained almost another 10% of the market in the past 12 months, and PHEVs are in decline, along with all other non-BEV powertrains.

Martyn1981

michaels said:

Whereas this suggests WLTP is up about 11-12%
Tesla Model 3 Highland officially unveiled with new design and unexpected features (electrek.co)

Aer Tesla able to game WLTP the same way they do EPA or is WLTP a fairer comparison between makes (even if it is optimistic for everyone)?

Hiya. If you (or anyone else is interested), I've heard an explanation for the different range improvement figures. The 4% to 5% figure seems to be based on the uplift in the max range of the TM3 in Australia, following the launch, and the updated design studio.

But ..... it seems that, that uplift doesn't compare apples to apples, as it's the old highest with standard wheel/tyres and aero covers, v's the new figure for the TM3 with the larger sports wheels. When the comparison is done with like to like sports wheels the figure is higher, perhaps 8%.

It seems that the TM3 doesn't yet have it's WLTP certified number for the TM3 base wheels. This has been suggested, as opting for the upgrade to the 19in 'Nova' wheels, on the TM3 LR doesn't reduce the stated vehicle range from the quoted 629km nor reduce the 513km for the base vehicle. 

And, speculation (or possibly some press release to the journalists at the launch) may suggest that the aero wheels, to areo wheels increase would potentially be 10% or even 12%, taking it to ~660km's (WLTP). If true, and after knocking of 12% to make it more real life (like the EPA numbers), then that's around 360 miles.

Totally appreciate that this may not seem too important, but if Tesla has raised the range by 4 to 5% through improvements, without a battery size increase, then that's great. If they've lifted it by 8% or even more, then that's brilliant.

And of course, this isn't just news for Tesla, since what they get up, tends to be reflected by other marques quite quickly, perhaps 2 or 3 years. So shows that range of BEV's, per kWh of battery, could keep rising for some time, as the model matures, or is replaced by a newer/better one.

But bear in mind, there's a lot of speculation, confusion, and general room for mistakes here, so don't take the upper figures too seriously, till we get confirmation (or not).

shinytop

Martyn1981 said:

Thought I'd post the August Norway numbers article from Cleantechnica, as it has the fleet transition graph in it this month.

So, 90% of August's car sales were PEV's, and the figure for the fleet as a whole is now at about 30%. With PEV's (mostly BEV's) selling 90%+ going forward, the fleet should transition at around 5%-6% pa going forward.

EVs At 90% Share In Norway — Tesla Model Y Best Seller

August saw combined EVs at 90% share in Norway, comprising 83.5% full electrics (BEVs), and 6.5% plugin hybrids (PHEVs). These compare with YoY figures of 86.1%, 74.9%, and 11.3%, respectively. We can see that BEVs have gained almost another 10% of the market in the past 12 months, and PHEVs are in decline, along with all other non-BEV powertrains.

Impressive figures but I can't help thinking that a two tonne/£50k plus premium car being the best seller (by a long way) isn't something we in the UK ever can, or should, aspire to. 

Martyn1981

Nice BEV numbers for Aug. Tesla Model Y selling well, but I don't know if it'll top the charts for car sales in the UK this year. But looks like it may be the top selling car in Europe and the World this year.

August boost for EV market but regulatory uncertainty threatens future ambitions

michaels

All the action seems to be in fleets with private sales falling - I wonder if this is everyone buying EVs on sal sac?!

shinytop

michaels said:

All the action seems to be in fleets with private sales falling - I wonder if this is everyone buying EVs on sal sac?!

Some figures I saw elsewhere said 24% of new EVs in H1 2023 were private sales.

Martyn1981

Thought this vid from Fully Charged was fun. It's a BEV(ish) heavy hauler mine truck. The ish, is because it still burns some diesel, but 1/40th of what the 'normal' version does.

And whilst it has batts, it's actually charged via overhead cables using the pantograph system. Quite cool to see it charging on the uphill, so slower and longer charge time (I assume), but it can drive up at 24kmh, whereas the diesel electrics are only doing 12kmh. I assume the normal trucks are limited by the max generation of their diesel engines.

Yet another solution* for charging, especially as this mine operates 24/7.

*The pantograph system has been trialled for road going BEV trucks previously.

What the TRUCK?! Electric Vehicles Are Getting Bigger and Bigger!

Pick up any device and it will be jam packed with critical minerals from lithium, copper, aluminium, nickel, carbon and graphite to cobalt and manganese. However, as the core ingredients for electric vehicles, their mining is often cited as a principle argument against the adoption of EVs. In response, the Fully Charged Show has argued that mining can be decarbonised, critical materials can be recycled and the impact of mining is less carbon intensive than the extraction of oil and gas and is inherently more circular. So we thought it was time to put this to the test and visited a copper mine in British Columbia to understand more about their decarbonisation efforts, and most notably to see some GINORMOUS 230 Tonne Komatsu e-230 e-trolley electric trucks. Safe to say, these are the biggest and most impressive electric vehicles we’ve seen to date!!

JKenH

This should help those suffering from range/charger anxiety.

New Peugeot E-3008 debuts with 435-mile range

It will be available with three powertrains. The entry-level ‘Range’ model comes with a single 210hp motor on the front axle and a 73kWh battery, giving a provisional 326-mile WLTP range. A Dual Motor version will also be offered, featuring the same battery and official range but with 320hp of power and 509Nm of torque. The Long Range version moves up to a 230hp single motor and 98kWh battery and has the headline 435-mile range.

Pricing and full equipment details are yet to be announced…

https://fleetworld.co.uk/new-peugeot-e-3008-debuts-with-435-mile-range/

Martyn1981

Potentially good news for manufacturers and buyers. Prediction that smaller BEV's will be profitable for European manufacturers by 2025. Study suggests that a €25k BEV with 150-180mile range would boost the number of people planning to buy a BEV today, from 25% to 35%.

€25,000 Small Electric Cars On Track To Be Profitable By 2025!

Carmakers can sell small electric cars made in Europe for €25,000 while making a profit, new research shows. Falling production costs and battery prices would make mass market B-segment vehicles feasible to electrify by 2025, according to the study by Transport & Environment (T&E) based on analysis by the Syndex consultancy. T&E said the availability of smaller, more affordable EVs could be a game changer for mass adoption of electric cars and will be crucial if European carmakers are to hold off the challenge of Chinese companies surging into Europe.

European manufacturers can make a reasonable 4% profit margin on a small battery electric vehicle produced in Europe in 2025, according to the report’s “favourable market conditions” scenario. This would see battery costs fall to $100 per kWh, in line with forecasts by BloombergNEF and others. The report factors in other direct cost reductions while keeping broad industry expectations around indirect costs and mark-ups. The B-segment vehicle would have a 40 kWh LFP battery and a range of 250-300 km.

The arrival of more affordable, small electric cars would hasten the uptake of zero-emission cars in Europe, a new survey shows. One-quarter (25%) of new car buyers already intend to buy an electric car in the next year, according to a YouGov poll for T&E in France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland and the UK. [1] But when given the option of a small €25,000 electric car, the share of new car buyers willing to buy a battery electric model increases to 35%. [2] This would equate to an additional 1 million EVs being sold in Europe annually, replacing combustion equivalents.