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silverwhistle

I agree; either bikes in urban areas or in a commercial situation like farms. My first thought with the latter was security which is already an issue in poorly policed rural areas. With the rise of external farming contractors I'm sure that the idea will at least be looked at by them as they are capital intensive business'.

Martyn1981

One other possibility for swappable batts is a story from a while back about Janus in Australia who's idea is to convert existing diesel trucks over to BEV, when it's time for their major overhaul. The batts could then be swapped out at a chain of stations.

So quite a few options for swappable batts, but personally, I think for cars, it's too complicated, and too little gain now.

I don't recall when I posted the story originally, but here's a newer article:

Bid to transform long-haul trucking from diesel to electric

Coastalwatch

Not a huge discount but every little helps and I guess shows good intentions from the new administration.

Labor launches the ‘Electric Car Discount’ in Australia

The new Labor government of Australia plans to deliver on its ‘Electric Car Discount’ policy from 1 July, then providing exemptions to certain import tariffs and fringe benefits taxes. This will effectively make some EV models cheaper, depending on the country of origin.

In particular electric cars coming to Australia from most of Europe, Japan and South Korea will benefit from price cuts in the thousands, once the import tariff of five per cent finally falls.

The import tariff exemption won’t benefit all electric vehicle models, as Australia already exempts some car imports from several countries under free-trade agreements. However, popular models to benefit from the incoming lift of the import tariff are the Nissan Leaf, the Mercedes EQA, the Hyundai Kona EV, and the Mini Cooper SE. To stay concrete, the Electric Vehicle Council estimates that a $50,000 model such as the Nissan Leaf will be more than $2,000 cheaper due to removing the import tariff.

https://www.electrive.com/2022/06/25/labor-launches-the-electric-car-discount-in-australia/

Martyn1981

I know we often mention China as a rising star in BEV sales, and it may be their cumulative production (not Tesla) that is the biggest threat to legacy auto in Europe and the US. But this article talks about BYD (rather than China in general), and also briefly mentions NIO and XPeng as their total sales rapidly rise. So watch out as Chinese companies sell into other markets. We already have folk in the UK very happy with the BEV packages from MG.

Note the BYD total figure is for PEV's.

BYD Hits 2 Million Plugin Vehicle Sales!

The big news this month is that BYD has passed 2 million cumulative sales of plugin vehicles. That’s a huge milestone that is hard to comprehend. Two million vehicles is a lot of vehicles. XPeng and NIO just celebrated reaching 200,000 cumulative EV sales!

Importantly, BYD’s plugin vehicle sales keep growing and growing. Unlike Tesla, which sells vehicles around the world, BYD is basically getting all of its coin from China. In its home country, Build Your Dreams (BYD) now has 4 of the auto industry’s 10 top selling vehicle models! That’s not 4 out of the top 10 plugin vehicle models, but 4 out of the overall auto market’s top 10 best selling models — across all powertrains. In April, within the plugin vehicle market alone, BYD had 7 out of the top 10 best sellers!

orrery

JKenH said:

Battery manufacturing is very CO2 intensive...

But bear in mind that it doesn't need to be CO2 intensive. Mining uses equipment powered by fossil fuels, but it doesn't need to. The high temperatures required to refine the materials use FF, but it can't be beyond the wit of man to move these over to renewables.

The CO2 intensive bit is only during the transition to a fully renewable future - which is why we are making the batteries in the first place. As we move forwards, the amount of CO2 in these processes will also reduce.

There can't be an argument that says we're not allowed to emit CO2 in building a future that doesn't emit CO2.

JKenH

orrery said:

JKenH said:

Battery manufacturing is very CO2 intensive...

But bear in mind that it doesn't need to be CO2 intensive. Mining uses equipment powered by fossil fuels, but it doesn't need to. The high temperatures required to refine the materials use FF, but it can't be beyond the wit of man to move these over to renewables.

The CO2 intensive bit is only during the transition to a fully renewable future - which is why we are making the batteries in the first place. As we move forwards, the amount of CO2 in these processes will also reduce.

There can't be an argument that says we're not allowed to emit CO2 in building a future that doesn't emit CO2.

The problem is that the majority of battery manufacturing is done in China which is still heavily dependent on fossil fuels and likely to be for some time yet. 

2nd_time_buyer

JKenH said:

orrery said:

JKenH said:

Battery manufacturing is very CO2 intensive...

But bear in mind that it doesn't need to be CO2 intensive. Mining uses equipment powered by fossil fuels, but it doesn't need to. The high temperatures required to refine the materials use FF, but it can't be beyond the wit of man to move these over to renewables.

The CO2 intensive bit is only during the transition to a fully renewable future - which is why we are making the batteries in the first place. As we move forwards, the amount of CO2 in these processes will also reduce.

There can't be an argument that says we're not allowed to emit CO2 in building a future that doesn't emit CO2.

The problem is that the majority of battery manufacturing is done in China which is still heavily dependent on fossil fuels and likely to be for some time yet. 

Probably better they are making batteries and BEVs than ICE vehicles. 

thevilla

JKenH said:

orrery said:

JKenH said:

Battery manufacturing is very CO2 intensive...

But bear in mind that it doesn't need to be CO2 intensive. Mining uses equipment powered by fossil fuels, but it doesn't need to. The high temperatures required to refine the materials use FF, but it can't be beyond the wit of man to move these over to renewables.

The CO2 intensive bit is only during the transition to a fully renewable future - which is why we are making the batteries in the first place. As we move forwards, the amount of CO2 in these processes will also reduce.

There can't be an argument that says we're not allowed to emit CO2 in building a future that doesn't emit CO2.

The problem is that the majority of battery manufacturing is done in China which is still heavily dependent on fossil fuels and likely to be for some time yet. 

I watched Robert Llewellyn yesterday by coincidence who has a few words to say about the argument that EV production isn't perfect so we need to drill more oil until something perfect come along.....

https://youtu.be/rLvtAhxbLXs

JKenH

2nd_time_buyer said:

JKenH said:

orrery said:

JKenH said:

Battery manufacturing is very CO2 intensive...

But bear in mind that it doesn't need to be CO2 intensive. Mining uses equipment powered by fossil fuels, but it doesn't need to. The high temperatures required to refine the materials use FF, but it can't be beyond the wit of man to move these over to renewables.

The CO2 intensive bit is only during the transition to a fully renewable future - which is why we are making the batteries in the first place. As we move forwards, the amount of CO2 in these processes will also reduce.

There can't be an argument that says we're not allowed to emit CO2 in building a future that doesn't emit CO2.

The problem is that the majority of battery manufacturing is done in China which is still heavily dependent on fossil fuels and likely to be for some time yet. 

Probably better they are making batteries and BEVs than ICE vehicles. 

But surely it would be better for CO2 levels if instead of making 25% more batteries to keep as exchange units they made 25% more EVs with those batteries.We would displace 25% more  ICEvs. Battery production is constrained. Putting 20% of battery manufacture to one side instead of using them in EVs is not good for CO2.

JKenH

thevilla said:

JKenH said:

orrery said:

JKenH said:

Battery manufacturing is very CO2 intensive...

But bear in mind that it doesn't need to be CO2 intensive. Mining uses equipment powered by fossil fuels, but it doesn't need to. The high temperatures required to refine the materials use FF, but it can't be beyond the wit of man to move these over to renewables.

The CO2 intensive bit is only during the transition to a fully renewable future - which is why we are making the batteries in the first place. As we move forwards, the amount of CO2 in these processes will also reduce.

There can't be an argument that says we're not allowed to emit CO2 in building a future that doesn't emit CO2.

The problem is that the majority of battery manufacturing is done in China which is still heavily dependent on fossil fuels and likely to be for some time yet. 

I watched Robert Llewellyn yesterday by coincidence who has a few words to say about the argument that EV production isn't perfect so we need to drill more oil until something perfect come along.....

https://youtu.be/rLvtAhxbLXs

Forgive a little cynicism. Robert Llewelyn was (and probably still is) a good comedian but not someone I would rely on as a source of informed comment any more than I would rely on the Daily Mail. He promotes green technology on a YouTube channel. I don’t fully understand Fully Charged’s business model anymore than I understand the business models of other YouTubers. However I suspect it works along the same lines as other media organisations such as Daily Mail - if you keep producing material your readers like to hear/see, they will keep viewing/clicking/subscribing and that will be translated into income. His whimsical style appeals to a certain mindset but his core product is confirmation bias. He has 896 subscribers to his Fully Charged YouTube channel so has probably found a winning formula. Do those subscribers tune in to be informed, to be entertained or just hear ‘Bobby’ tell them what they want to hear and what they most probably already know?


If you want an informative English YouTube climate change channel I suggest you try Just Have A Think.


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