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EVandPV

EVandPV said:

Some paranoia creeping in here. 

JKenH said:

🤣🤣🤣

I rest my case .....

JKenH

EVandPV said:

JKenH said:

EVandPV said:

JKenH said:

Interesting article on EVs in the Daily Mail. Will it be positive or negative?Just a shame only a couple of us will deign to read it and find out.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-8772669/We-reveal-quickly-batteries-electric-hybrid-cars-degrade.html

The usual hilarious comments by folk who have never even sat in an EV.
Particularly enjoyed the one referring to "Nicholas Teslar". 

Nothing in the article itself to complain about so you refer to the public comments? Poor show but when you are desperate you get desperate.  Ok, I understand the new rules now; I will be able to quote any old rubbish comment made on future posts from Team Mart as being the essence of the article. You’ve moved this to a whole new level. Is that really how you want to see this go?

If comments like "takes 8 hours to charge 50 miles" and "I'm sticking with petrol, f*** the environment" are their typical reader base, it doesn't put the paper in a great light.

If the reader base of the Daily Mail is as you suggest then can’t you cut them some slack for sticking their neck out and printing the real facts about EVs rather than what their readers want to hear. I doubt the Guardian are going to go out and publish an article that blatantly sets out to contradict the mind set of their reader base on climate change. 

No, of course you wouldn’t cut them any slack. The gang has put the Daily Mail in a box labelled deniers and it would need someone capable of independent thought to say hang about let’s judge them on what they write rather than on the badge we have pinned on them.

Solarchaser

I dont know if im part of your fantasy gang here or not. 
But just to be clear my feeling on the daily fail, is nothing to do with this forum, and everything to do with their constant lies

JKenH

SSolarchaser said:

I dont know if im part of your fantasy gang here or not. 
But just to be clear my feeling on the daily fail, is nothing to do with this forum, and everything to do with their constant lies

So what do they lie about - the sports results, the TV schedules or is it they just don’t support your brand of politics?  Maybe you just don’t fit the DM demographic (older and/or female). I couldn’t find anything recent but this article gave an interesting insight into DM readers over a decade ago. 

https://www.prweek.com/article/656160/media-analysis-just-does-read-daily-mail

I don’t recall saying you were in the gang. 

JKenH

EVandPV said:

EVandPV said:

Some paranoia creeping in here. 

JKenH said:

🤣🤣🤣

I rest my case .....

We are scraping the barrel today, attaching my response to one of your comments to a different comment you had made.

Solarchaser

They lie about the thing they are supposed to report on, the news.
They are simply a propaganda paper playing up to old, White, right, males.

I didn't say I was in the fantasy gang, I was asking you.

So ill take it from your response, that I'm not.

JKenH

Martyn1981 said:

The whole video is worth watching, but I tend to find reaction videos from Steven at Solving the Money Problem, are far more insightful than I am, picking up on a lot of issues that I fail to spot just listening as a punter.

Steven's short(er) reaction video (15mins)

Tesla Battery Day: Genius Engineering (w/Sandy Munro)

It’s taken me a while to get round to watching that. All I can say is you seem to have got caught up in the hype of the Tesla fanboys. Next time I want some investment advice maybe I should grab one of the local youths doing burn outs round the village in his Honda Civic and provided he is wearing his baseball cap the wrong way round ask him if he can pull a few funny faces, make some funny noises and  take the Micky out of investment analysts (if he knows any) and ask him if he has a mate who works on cars who can tell me which car company to invest in. Preferably his mate will have noticed when working on the cars whether any OEM parts were held on by a metal strap, a few off cuts of wood and gaffer tape before he tells me to invest in that car manufacturer.

Seriously though. I am invested in Tesla and a couple of weeks ago after the share price dropped 30% I did suggest on here that the shares were worth a punt. I am not therefore anti Tesla, I think what Tesla have achieved is amazing, the M3 is a great car and it deserves its No.1 position in the marketplace but I do worry about all the hype and the fact that no one seems to be able to adopt a balanced middle ground position. Teslas are not perfect, Elon Musk is not the Messiah and I don’t think some kid wearing his baseball cap backwards who is clearly a Tesla fanboy should be touted as the fount of all wisdom when it comes to investing. 

It does concern me that there is such a huge divide between the bulls and the bears. They can’t both be right and they can’t both be wrong. Opinion on Tesla is polarised  just like so many issues today, just like Brexit was. Why is that? Why is each side so convinced they are right? I am in the middle, just as I am on other issues discussed in this board, looking for answers and all I get is noise - hype and negativity - each side only able to hear their own voices, trapped in their tribes. Why can we discuss domestic batteries or solar panels amicably and sensibly but as soon as any major issue comes along such as Climate Change (or Brexit purely as an example) we get all defensive and retreat into our corners. Brexit and Climate Change I might understand as the issues there go right to the heart of what we have been taught and believe - but Tesla?

I posted the picture of the bodge fitting on the ModelY which Sandy Munro’s colleague described as a band aid but no one else on here reacted to that. I am sure all the regulars have seen it. We all are into electric cars but no one else appeared to have an opinion on that one way or the other. What does that say? Is everyone so pro Tesla they dismiss it as being fine or is everyone just afraid to express an opinion that might be considered anti EV?  A couple of you on here have said you are not in any gang, so what do you think? 

Maybe the vast majority of Teslas are bought by companies or leased and the driver just doesn’t care. Personally if I was a Tesla owner and found that I would be pretty peeved but as a shareholder it doesn’t bother me too much in the short term, as whether Tesla succeeds or fails depends on its batteries and autonomous driving. It is something that can be fixed and will be so why doesn’t Sandy Munro just wind back a little and say Tesla have some great tech but still need to sort out build issues? He talks as though they are the best engineering company in the world doing stuff other car and battery makers could not do. Maybe because he has got caught on one side of a tribal war where no one can give an inch. He says he gets hate mail.What is going on? Just why can’t we have sensible discussion anymore?

JKenH

Solarchaser said:

They lie about the thing they are supposed to report on, the news.
They are simply a propaganda paper playing up to old, White, right, males.

I didn't say I was in the fantasy gang, I was asking you.

So ill take it from your response, that I'm not.

You didn’t actually ask, you just said you didn’t know.😉

Martyn1981

JKenH said:

Martyn1981 said:

The whole video is worth watching, but I tend to find reaction videos from Steven at Solving the Money Problem, are far more insightful than I am, picking up on a lot of issues that I fail to spot just listening as a punter.

Steven's short(er) reaction video (15mins)

Tesla Battery Day: Genius Engineering (w/Sandy Munro)

It’s taken me a while to get round to watching that. All I can say is you seem to have got caught up in the hype of the Tesla fanboys. Next time I want some investment advice maybe I should grab one of the local youths doing burn outs round the village in his Honda Civic and provided he is wearing his baseball cap the wrong way round ask him if he can pull a few funny faces, make some funny noises and  take the Micky out of investment analysts (if he knows any) and ask him if he has a mate who works on cars who can tell me which car company to invest in. Preferably his mate will have noticed when working on the cars whether any OEM parts were held on by a metal strap, a few off cuts of wood and gaffer tape before he tells me to invest in that car manufacturer.

Seriously though. I am invested in Tesla and a couple of weeks ago after the share price dropped 30% I did suggest on here that the shares were worth a punt. I am not therefore anti Tesla, I think what Tesla have achieved is amazing, the M3 is a great car and it deserves its No.1 position in the marketplace but I do worry about all the hype and the fact that no one seems to be able to adopt a balanced middle ground position. Teslas are not perfect, Elon Musk is not the Messiah and I don’t think some kid wearing his baseball cap backwards who is clearly a Tesla fanboy should be touted as the fount of all wisdom when it comes to investing. 

It does concern me that there is such a huge divide between the bulls and the bears. They can’t both be right and they can’t both be wrong. Opinion on Tesla is polarised  just like so many issues today, just like Brexit was. Why is that? Why is each side so convinced they are right? I am in the middle, just as I am on other issues discussed in this board, looking for answers and all I get is noise - hype and negativity - each side only able to hear their own voices, trapped in their tribes. Why can we discuss domestic batteries or solar panels amicably and sensibly but as soon as any major issue comes along such as Climate Change (or Brexit purely as an example) we get all defensive and retreat into our corners. Brexit and Climate Change I might understand as the issues there go right to the heart of what we have been taught and believe - but Tesla?

I posted the picture of the bodge fitting on the ModelY which Sandy Munro’s colleague described as a band aid but no one else on here reacted to that. I am sure all the regulars have seen it. We all are into electric cars but no one else appeared to have an opinion on that one way or the other. What does that say? Is everyone so pro Tesla they dismiss it as being fine or is everyone just afraid to express an opinion that might be considered anti EV?  A couple of you on here have said you are not in any gang, so what do you think? 

Maybe the vast majority of Teslas are bought by companies or leased and the driver just doesn’t care. Personally if I was a Tesla owner and found that I would be pretty peeved but as a shareholder it doesn’t bother me too much in the short term, as whether Tesla succeeds or fails depends on its batteries and autonomous driving. It is something that can be fixed and will be so why doesn’t Sandy Munro just wind back a little and say Tesla have some great tech but still need to sort out build issues? He talks as though they are the best engineering company in the world doing stuff other car and battery makers could not do. Maybe because he has got caught on one side of a tribal war where no one can give an inch. He says he gets hate mail.What is going on? Just why can’t we have sensible discussion anymore?

Hi Ken, rather than constantly trying to pick fights and disrupt threads, can't you just pop me on ignore, please.

Martyn1981

An article here looking at the issues (real or assumed) that may be holding people back from buying an EV. I think they are all OK now (or imagined), but it will probably take a while for the information to filter through to everyone, but that's the same with every disruptive technology I assume.

EV Market Share Is Up, But What Is Holding Most People Back From Getting An EV?

One of the things that Elon Musk said during Tesla’s annual shareholder and Battery Day event that snagged my brain was that even though EV market share is up, most people don’t have an EV. It’s a simple statement, but the point is that we have a long way to go to get non-electric cars off the road.

As of 2019, the Edison Electric Institute (EEI) noted that there were more than 1.18 million EVs on US roads as of March 2019, but as of April 2020, there were at least 273.6 million vehicles registered in the US. Although 1.18 million EVs is something to celebrate, this shows that EVs are not nearly as mainstream as we need them to be.

There are many reasons — largely myths — why people still choose not to go with an EV. The most common myths from people I know or who I’ve interacted with in person concern:

• Range.

• Price.

• Batteries catching on fire.

• Child labor/slave labor.

• Elon Musk.